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DemocratSinceBirth

(100,027 posts)
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:17 PM Sep 2021

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Kyrsten Sinema?


65 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
Favorable
2 (3%)
Unfavorable
63 (97%)
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Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Kyrsten Sinema? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2021 OP
this is just silly mucifer Sep 2021 #1
💯 live love laugh Oct 2021 #45
I didn't come to unfavorable lightly. I've taken a bit of time to Ninga Sep 2021 #2
Lol JohnSJ Sep 2021 #3
I don't think she takes the job seriously. Butterflylady Sep 2021 #4
she thinhks "she's ALL THAT" ... SHE acts like one of the girls in the movie MEAN GIRLS Trueblue1968 Sep 2021 #20
The Democratic Party is a big tent. Caliman73 Sep 2021 #5
The difference between the two qazplm135 Sep 2021 #8
I believe Joe might win re-election Johonny Sep 2021 #38
She's virtually assured of losing her primary now wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #39
But we need her to stay in the Democratic Caucus. totodeinhere Sep 2021 #10
"We know where Manchin stands." - (i.e. in opposition to 77% of his constituents) lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #47
True, according to that poll. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #48
Manchin could make campaign ads about all the great stuff he is giving WV. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #49
Personally? or In reality? Caliman73 Oct 2021 #51
Sigh. Likely true. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #53
Unfortunately, you are right there too. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #54
OK Goonch Sep 2021 #6
Do we really need this on the DU site? Totally Tunsie Sep 2021 #11
Inappropriate? How? Polly Hennessey Sep 2021 #26
Purity tests never go out of style. TheProle Sep 2021 #31
agreed, Sinema will be in office till 2025! cadoman Sep 2021 #42
That's unnecessary. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2021 #19
What is unnecessary? nt live love laugh Oct 2021 #46
The results of this poll at DU are a foregone conclusion. totodeinhere Sep 2021 #7
Well qazplm135 Sep 2021 #9
And you don't win a general election without your base USAFRetired_Liberal Sep 2021 #12
That's especially true, given that Arizona Republicans will *never* vote for her, . . . wackadoo wabbit Sep 2021 #40
And she can't win with an R next to her name either USAFRetired_Liberal Oct 2021 #55
and I happen to have that for AZ Dems on Sinema: Favourable 17%, Unfavourable 65% Celerity Sep 2021 #13
Thanks. Very interesting. Not quite as unanimous as DU, but still good. n/t totodeinhere Sep 2021 #21
Well, there are some on here, I am sure, who would, in a secret ballot, vote favourable, but Celerity Sep 2021 #25
I chose "Pass" b/c this and its companion poll about Totally Tunsie Sep 2021 #14
They deserve our condemnation if they are Polly Hennessey Sep 2021 #30
Are you kidding me? I want to see a single person here defend her. Just one! budkin Sep 2021 #15
Sinema rso Sep 2021 #16
i think she's horrible and also i think she is the worst DEM in the Senate. Trueblue1968 Sep 2021 #17
She's a snake in the grass tenderfoot Sep 2021 #18
she is vile Skittles Sep 2021 #22
You can't see this online but Withywindle Sep 2021 #23
my wife likes my perky little bounce at times Celerity Sep 2021 #28
Perky little bounces can be fun. Polly Hennessey Sep 2021 #32
She needs professional help. nt DURHAM D Sep 2021 #24
What is a point of a poll that you already know the answer to? iemanja Sep 2021 #27
I cannot answer 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2021 #29
. NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #33
Subtlety is a lost art form. bluewater Sep 2021 #34
she needs to go Red Mountain Sep 2021 #35
She is a Corporate Shill. kairos12 Sep 2021 #36
Favorable Kang Colby Sep 2021 #37
Not a fan MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author hamsterjill Sep 2021 #43
i really like participating in polls Trueblue1968 Oct 2021 #44
I voted unfavorable, but my opinion does not matter, actually. MineralMan Oct 2021 #50
I understand Manchin. I don't understand Sinema dsp3000 Oct 2021 #52

Ninga

(8,538 posts)
2. I didn't come to unfavorable lightly. I've taken a bit of time to
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:21 PM
Sep 2021

research and read about her over the past several years.

Trueblue1968

(17,924 posts)
20. she thinhks "she's ALL THAT" ... SHE acts like one of the girls in the movie MEAN GIRLS
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:03 PM
Sep 2021

And she acts just so hotsy totsy like the girls who were MEAN TO ME when i was in High School.
Turnabout, I WAS PRETTY, POPULAR AND REALLY COOL IN COLLEGE. I was also nice to every one.
People do change. I think blondie changed for the worst.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
5. The Democratic Party is a big tent.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:29 PM
Sep 2021

We have been used to having politicians who were Blue Dogs, ultra liberal, and even some lefties. There has always been a coalition that could make it work when they needed to.

The problem with Sinema seems to be that she is not operating in good faith. We know where Manchin stands. We know why he is opposed to the bills. We have a relatively good understanding of his state and the people that have allowed him to remain in his seat in a very deep red state. Not to say we like it, but we can understand it.

Sinema has told no one, what she wants, why she is tanking major Democratic Legislation, and she is mocking people. She is having secret meetings, basically caucusing with Republicans, and Democrats, including many progressives went to the mat to get her elected in purple Arizona. She is giving everybody the middle finger for no apparent reason. We know she has received hundreds of thousands of dollars from various big money groups, but that is more recent.

Like I said, she is not operating in good faith and not operating in good faith is something that only Republicans do.

qazplm135

(7,465 posts)
8. The difference between the two
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:41 PM
Sep 2021

Is that I believe Manchin has set policy beliefs. He's been fairly consistent overall on what he's about.

Sinema has checked every block except Republican.

And I'm not convinced if she thought switching would guarantee her reelection that she wouldn't consider it

I disagree with Manchin, a lot, but he's basically what he's always been, a Reagan Democrat.

Sinema morphs like a jellyfish.

Johonny

(21,848 posts)
38. I believe Joe might win re-election
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:28 PM
Sep 2021

She's got zero chance. She might lose a primary at this point. She's voted against everything she ran on.

Joe represents a very conservative state, Sinema ran as a liberal in a purple state. She's toast.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,214 posts)
39. She's virtually assured of losing her primary now
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:42 PM
Sep 2021

I live in Arizona. Everyone I know voted for her. No one is planning to vote for her again.

totodeinhere

(13,247 posts)
10. But we need her to stay in the Democratic Caucus.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:41 PM
Sep 2021

If she crosses the isle the Biden agenda is dead. Of course it might be dead anyway if we can't get her to vote for it, but I would rather at least have the chance to convince her. And if we have to play hard ball with her that's okay as long as we don't push her too far. If the GOP were to take over the Senate there would be no convincing. It would be over.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
47. "We know where Manchin stands." - (i.e. in opposition to 77% of his constituents)
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 10:03 AM
Oct 2021

He stands with fossil fuel mongers.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
48. True, according to that poll.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 11:58 AM
Oct 2021

Polls are a good idea of what people think, not what they will do. Do you think that the people of West Virginia would support a Democrat that was more progressive? That would support President Biden's agenda fully? I mean, it would be great and nothing would make me happier than to see the bills go through, people's lives get better, and the scourge of conservatism be swept away for the foreseeable future. Problem is when people are presented with ideas, without attribution, they will typically choose more progressive ideas. When you put any price tag on it, or put a D or R next to the proposals, that is when people start changing their opinions. It is stupid and it sucks, but that is reality.

We know Manchin stands with the fossil fuel mongers. HE IS ONE. He personally make income from investments into a family business that deals in fossil fuels. How that is even legal while he holds a seat deciding on energy policy is beyond me.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
49. Manchin could make campaign ads about all the great stuff he is giving WV.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 12:01 PM
Oct 2021

He doesn't have to say it's all Biden's idea.

Instead, he chooses to give sound bites about the sanctity of the Filibuster and the importance of helping rich people.

Which do you think would sell better?

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
51. Personally? or In reality?
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 12:34 PM
Oct 2021

From my own bias, I would say the "great stuff I am giving to WV residents". Realistically, you have seen people willing to die by not getting a vaccine against a preventable deadly disease to "own the libs". WV is an epicenter of that kind of thinking.

They care about red meat. How is Joe Manchin stopping the communists from invading WV. That is what they seem to respond to at the ballot box.

I would love to be wrong, but look at the history of voting in WV.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
53. Sigh. Likely true.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:39 PM
Oct 2021

But Manchin seems more interested in cash than votes. Earmark/bribery is the most likely thing to work.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
54. Unfortunately, you are right there too.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 01:47 PM
Oct 2021

I told you that I am happy to be proven wrong. I do not like being cynical. I wish that Manchin would just go away and that someone, even a moderate would take his place.


It is hard to bribe a politician who is already being bribed, and who is personally making money from the industry that he defends.

I think Manchin sees that cash can bring votes. He is in a way stronger position in West Virginia than Sinema is in Arizona. I predict that Manchin will remain the Senator from WV for at least the next cycle, while Sinema will be out on her ass in 2025.

Polly Hennessey

(7,368 posts)
26. Inappropriate? How?
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:18 PM
Sep 2021

What is inappropriate? The poll or the caricature? We might know the results of the poll? So what. It means we have almost unambiguous unanimous agreement. What’s not to like. The caricature is spot on. Her deceitfulness oozes out of the picture.

cadoman

(842 posts)
42. agreed, Sinema will be in office till 2025!
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:58 PM
Sep 2021

This fight hurts now, but burning bridges with her is just gonna push her towards (I) or soft (R).

Sinema has a highly individualistic personality. You don't persuade that type of personality by asking it to fall in line, or to go along to get along. Those arguments are antithetical to its existence. If we threaten her she's just going to turn, because turning on a centralized force is the most appealing option for an individualist!

Find some way to get her involved in the process that turns her individualism from a liability into an asset.

EDIT: And just to prove a point. I voted "Approve" even though I don't approve of her. Individualists enjoy going against the grain, and are actually thrilled when the group shames them.

totodeinhere

(13,247 posts)
7. The results of this poll at DU are a foregone conclusion.
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:36 PM
Sep 2021

And of course I voted "no." But what would be a more interesting poll would be to ask the voters of Arizona to take the poll.

USAFRetired_Liberal

(4,294 posts)
12. And you don't win a general election without your base
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:48 PM
Sep 2021

She can’t make up the difference in Democratic voters who won’t vote for with Republican and independent voters who will.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,214 posts)
40. That's especially true, given that Arizona Republicans will *never* vote for her, . . .
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 10:45 PM
Sep 2021

no matter what she does, as long as there's a D behind her name.

USAFRetired_Liberal

(4,294 posts)
55. And she can't win with an R next to her name either
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 07:47 PM
Oct 2021

They wouldn’t vote for her in the Republican primary..she voted to impeach trump

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
25. Well, there are some on here, I am sure, who would, in a secret ballot, vote favourable, but
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:17 PM
Sep 2021

they do not want the stick they might get.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
14. I chose "Pass" b/c this and its companion poll about
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:55 PM
Sep 2021

Joe Manchin are (IMO) walking a fine line towards breaking the DU rule about not bashing Democrats.

Polly Hennessey

(7,368 posts)
30. They deserve our condemnation if they are
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 07:22 PM
Sep 2021

using their leverage to scuttle democratic efforts to pass legislation.

rso

(2,435 posts)
16. Sinema
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 06:58 PM
Sep 2021

Unfortunately, we’re stuck with her and Manchin. Our only way out is to pick up two Senate seats next year. With that said, based on the 50/50 Senate, I’d still rather have them than two GQPers.

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
37. Favorable
Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:34 PM
Sep 2021

I said roughly the same thing in the Manchin thread, she’s a lot better than what we’d be getting without her….Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. We should encourage candidates like her and Manchin to run in places like the Dakotas, Montana, and even in the south.

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

MineralMan

(147,301 posts)
50. I voted unfavorable, but my opinion does not matter, actually.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 12:05 PM
Oct 2021

I'm not a resident of Arizona and had nothing to do with her being elected by those who are.

That is the reality of the Senate. Between the Republicans who have been elected and the very few Democrats who are not team players, we're in a tight spot in that house of Congress. Our annoyance at one or two Senators is irrelevant, really. We must deal with the Senate as it is. Wishing it were different is a waste of our time at this point.

dsp3000

(622 posts)
52. I understand Manchin. I don't understand Sinema
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 12:56 PM
Oct 2021

Manchin is operating in a DEEP RED state. He has to play this role in order to secure his political future in his state.
Sinema is no John Mccain. I don't see any republicans crossing the line to vote for her in a very evenly split state.

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