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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:09 PM Oct 2021

How does Sinema get labeled as a "moderate Democrat? Please read before responding.

Sinema is considered a moderate Democrat and was identified as the 47th most conservative member of the Senate in a 2019 analysis by the nonpartisan organization GovTrack.us.[4][5] During the 116th Congress, she voted with President Donald Trump's position roughly 25% of the time, the second-most of any Democratic senator to serve during the full term.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema


I realize that the labeling conventions for elected Democrats are arbitrary and change over time, but how does the 47th most conservative member of the entire Senate get labelled as a "moderate Democrat'?

Serious question.

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How does Sinema get labeled as a "moderate Democrat? Please read before responding. (Original Post) bluewater Oct 2021 OP
Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #1
she has an answer no matter what you call her Celerity Oct 2021 #15
The center has shifted to the right over the past 3-4 decades Beausoleil Oct 2021 #2
Great apophthegm Celerity Oct 2021 #4
What a great word! Apothegm. bluewater Oct 2021 #7
I think it is more common in the UK, where I grew up, than in the US Celerity Oct 2021 #8
Bloody phone. I misspelt it. Fixed. apophthegm is the correct spelling Celerity Oct 2021 #9
Seems you used the US spelling originally. lol bluewater Oct 2021 #10
Ahhhhhh. See, you taught me something. I had no clue there was a different UK versus US spelling. Celerity Oct 2021 #12
And Dictionary.com has the same pronunciation for... 3catwoman3 Oct 2021 #13
With you guys I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #17
Hightower is right. The center has mostly emptied as the GOP moved far right Hortensis Oct 2021 #27
She has a good PR team? Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #3
The most apropos label for her and Manchin atm is obstructionist Celerity Oct 2021 #5
Anyone Not Wearing A Swastika DanieRains Oct 2021 #6
Pretty much. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #11
You do realize that she was a Green right? She is from a moderate state Arizona and that is why she Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #14
She was part of the Nader for president in 2000 JohnSJ Oct 2021 #16
Could she be a troll? iemanja Oct 2021 #18
No idea JohnSJ Oct 2021 #22
It's like how Kimberly Guilfoyle used to be married to Gavin Newsom and now... betsuni Oct 2021 #25
What vote? gldstwmn Oct 2021 #21
I'm guessing the "moderate" refers to the entire American political spectrum. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2021 #19
Her actions today should make her party poison. gldstwmn Oct 2021 #20
Answer: even the 47th "most conservative" Senator is hugely supportive of Biden's policies... brooklynite Oct 2021 #23
Question: Why not mention Sinema was also supportive of Trump 50.4% of the time? bluewater Oct 2021 #26
IMO she will go full QAnon/MAGA before it's all said and done. BlueNProud Oct 2021 #24

Response to bluewater (Original post)

Beausoleil

(2,832 posts)
2. The center has shifted to the right over the past 3-4 decades
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:17 PM
Oct 2021

Plus, there is not much of a "moderate" position in politics today.

As Jim Hightower said:

There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead armadillos.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. What a great word! Apothegm.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:40 PM
Oct 2021

I'll use it tonight at dinner. lol

Seriously, thank you.

Like most people, my reading vocabulary is larger than my speaking or writing one, but I had to look apothegm up.





bluewater

(5,376 posts)
10. Seems you used the US spelling originally. lol
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:49 PM
Oct 2021

Searches on both spelling return the same definition essentially.

Celerity

(43,039 posts)
12. Ahhhhhh. See, you taught me something. I had no clue there was a different UK versus US spelling.
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 03:53 PM
Oct 2021

I just know when I looked at your first reply, my dyslexic brain said.... Wtf did you (as in me) do Cel?

lolol.

I love to learn!

3catwoman3

(23,931 posts)
13. And Dictionary.com has the same pronunciation for...
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 04:04 PM
Oct 2021

...both spellings.

I always love learning a new word. I've never even seen this one, unlike words I have looked up but forgotten because of never using them.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Hightower is right. The center has mostly emptied as the GOP moved far right
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 07:14 PM
Oct 2021

and the Dems moved slightly farther left, but mostly where we were in the 1970s and before.

Although O'Donnell was saying the other night that our congressional delegations are even farther left than that these days, as well as Biden. And of course their goals reflect most Democratic voters, who overwhelmingly support what they're doing.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
14. You do realize that she was a Green right? She is from a moderate state Arizona and that is why she
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 04:06 PM
Oct 2021

is called a moderate. what difference does it make what we call her? She is part of our majority and we need her vote.

betsuni

(25,348 posts)
25. It's like how Kimberly Guilfoyle used to be married to Gavin Newsom and now...
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 06:20 PM
Oct 2021

The type of person who changes personality depending on who they're around. Sinema used to pal around with Greens, now Republicans.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
26. Question: Why not mention Sinema was also supportive of Trump 50.4% of the time?
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 07:07 PM
Oct 2021

Let's give everyone the full picture on why she was ranked the "47th most conservative Senator"

Trump score

How often Sinema votes in line with Trump’s position: Career 50.4%

How often Sinema is expected to support Trump based on Trump’s 2016 margin: Career 39.8%

Difference between Sinema’s actual and predicted Trump-support scores: Career: +10.6%


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/kyrsten-sinema/


Hmmm.

Sinema voted 50.4% of the time supporting Trump's policies according to 538.
That was +10.6% greater than projected, again, according to 538.

Sinema's career voting record paints a different picture, don't you think?

So is the definition of a "moderate Democrat" someone who votes with Trump 50.4% of the time and +10.6% more often than expected based on Trump's performance in their state?

In fact, looking at the 538 data, Sinema was the ONLY Democrat that voted with Trump more often than expected.
How in the world does THAT make her a "moderate Democrat"?





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