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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,757 posts)
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:17 PM Oct 2021

Feeling cheated, ranchers are opting out of the meatpacking system. Biden is backing them up.

Damon Watson is a fourth generation cattle rancher in rural Oklahoma, and his son and daughter hope to be the fifth. In recent years, however, it has become more difficult to envision that future: The profitability of the farm has fallen and opportunities in Council Hill, a town 60 miles south of Tulsa with slightly more than 100 people, continue to dry up.

Even as consumers pay more for meat at grocery stores, ranchers like Watson have struggled to earn a high enough price for their cattle from meat processors. He’s seen most of the other small farmers in the area give up cattle ranching altogether because it isn’t as profitable.

“Most people have options if you’re selling something,” Watson said. “For farmers and ranchers, you get told by the packers what you’re going to get for it and you better hope you’re happy with it.”

He and other cattle ranchers are increasingly upset by the thin margins they earn, driving a large number of farmers to bankruptcy. Meanwhile, according to the Department of Agriculture, giant meat processors have earned record profits in an industry worth well over $200 billion.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/feeling-cheated-ranchers-opting-meatpacking-090010648.html

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Feeling cheated, ranchers are opting out of the meatpacking system. Biden is backing them up. (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
Hey, ranchers and farmers: Come home to the Big D Tent Champp Oct 2021 #1
It is frustrating to see how much has changed in one generation... ret5hd Oct 2021 #2
A slightly different viewpoint. .perhaps it is time to consider a slightly more ecologically niyad Oct 2021 #3
Slightly more ecologically friendly and sustainable than meat? Merlot Oct 2021 #4
True, but. . ,baby steps?? niyad Oct 2021 #5
On shortgrass prairie? There's literally nothing ecologically better than ranching NickB79 Oct 2021 #8
So, because it has always been done, it must continue? There are no other options? niyad Oct 2021 #9
Grazing herbivores are what made the prairies NickB79 Oct 2021 #10
Thanks Red Mountain Oct 2021 #11
Then, as I was suggesting, it is obviously time to think in completely new directions. niyad Oct 2021 #13
Such as? NickB79 Oct 2021 #14
Such as. . .I do not know. But surely, intelligent minds can come up niyad Oct 2021 #15
It is not really sad it is more just science. cinematicdiversions Oct 2021 #17
Then other uses have to be found, niyad Oct 2021 #18
Does this mean they'll start selling directly to the consumer, like Omaha Steaks??? If more $$ can in2herbs Oct 2021 #6
There are numerous other firms and farms doing direct from the farm marketing. A HERETIC I AM Oct 2021 #16
I have a Wild Forks not horribly far away obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #20
Lots of local butchers and producers multigraincracker Oct 2021 #7
We used to have meat lockers around here xmas74 Oct 2021 #12
Lots of ranchers out by me - ranchers & local small grocery bought the local womanofthehills Oct 2021 #19

Champp

(2,114 posts)
1. Hey, ranchers and farmers: Come home to the Big D Tent
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:24 PM
Oct 2021

where you belong.

Multi-millionaire propagandist Limbaugh is dead, so you need not listen to his clones on right-wing radio while you are working, and you need not sicken your soul with any more of what the billionaire-backed Republican organ-grinding Fox News tells you. Do you really think the Republican Big Money Cronies have your best interests at heart?



The Republican lies and Russian propaganda have poisoned your thoughts for generations.

Take an honest look at what Biden and the Dems are doing for you and for America. And get back to where you belong.

ret5hd

(20,482 posts)
2. It is frustrating to see how much has changed in one generation...
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 02:37 PM
Oct 2021

the dustbowl Okie farmers weren't "conservative"...they were begging, demanding change. When the government showed them how to change their farming practices...they listened. When the government supported prices, they cheered.

And now, current day, when I pointed out to my mother that the "commodity cheese" and "commodity peanut butter" she and her siblings (even I, as a very young person) ate and survived on was essentially "welfare"...OH! THE OFFENSE THAT CAME TO HER EYES!

What did you think it was mom? Free food and all.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
3. A slightly different viewpoint. .perhaps it is time to consider a slightly more ecologically
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 03:13 PM
Oct 2021

friendly and sustainable business?

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
8. On shortgrass prairie? There's literally nothing ecologically better than ranching
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 06:41 PM
Oct 2021

I mean, they could switch from cattle to bison, and reduce the number of animals they run per acre, but that's about it. Large grazing animals have been part of the prairie biome for millions of years.

The alternative is plowing up the prairie, sinking irrigation wells, and growing crops, creating an ecological desert.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
9. So, because it has always been done, it must continue? There are no other options?
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 11:57 PM
Oct 2021

That is extremely sad.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
10. Grazing herbivores are what made the prairies
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:28 PM
Oct 2021

Their dung built carbon-rich topsoil meters thick for millions of years that fosters a diverse ecosystem to this day.

We replaced bison with cattle, but they're functionally the same, as long as you don't overgraze the land.

Like I said, there is no agriculture you can practice on prairie other than ranching that doesn't destroy it. Even no-till displaces the prairie grasses and flowers.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
14. Such as?
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:44 PM
Oct 2021

The only other direction is to stop all agriculture on the Plains and return millions of acres to nature. Personally I'd be fine with that, but millions of people who depend on the Plains states for jobs and food would probably object.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
15. Such as. . .I do not know. But surely, intelligent minds can come up
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:12 PM
Oct 2021

with something other than agriculture, which seems to be the sole focus of some.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
17. It is not really sad it is more just science.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:21 PM
Oct 2021

Ww could stop grazing and discontinue the prairie. Other food production simply is not really an option on such land.

in2herbs

(2,944 posts)
6. Does this mean they'll start selling directly to the consumer, like Omaha Steaks??? If more $$ can
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:20 PM
Oct 2021

go to the small rancher rather than packers and agri meat producers I'd be for it, but want to see details. But, agree, meat production overall needs to be drastically reduced.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
16. There are numerous other firms and farms doing direct from the farm marketing.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:14 PM
Oct 2021

Porter Road, for instance. Moink, Wild Fork Foods, Crowd Cow and a few more easily found via Google.

The beef and other meat is more expensive than the grocery store, but the prices reflect the actual cost of properly raised meat, from actual free-range chickens and pork to other meats like turkey, veal, lamb and more.

I’ve ordered a few things from Porter Road and their products are superb and sourced from small family farms.

There is a Tik Tok account by a beef farmer in Oregon who has thousands of followers and makes the idea very clear in this short vid;

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRwgAnJ9/


Edited to add this video from Reverent Farms in Georgia. This guy has a completely charming way of getting his cattle to move from one pasture to another!



https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRwg6K9w/

I expect more beef farmers will go this route.

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
20. I have a Wild Forks not horribly far away
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:29 AM
Oct 2021

We drive their once a month and buy all our meat there. Excellent, as is their ready made stuff.

multigraincracker

(32,641 posts)
7. Lots of local butchers and producers
Sat Oct 2, 2021, 04:39 PM
Oct 2021

around here. Always seems a better deal when you buy a 1/4 or 1/2. I buy a whole lamb and it is lot cheaper for the good cuts and they are grass fed.

xmas74

(29,671 posts)
12. We used to have meat lockers around here
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:04 PM
Oct 2021

That accepted food stamps and would allow people to take out a little at a time. If they bought a half cow they'd have X amount if ground beef,roasts,steaks,etc. People could take out 10 lbs gr beef, a roast, etc at a time.

This worked out very well for everyone involved. No one had to have large freezers at home and with the lockers allowing a monthly payment towards the total cost of meat it became more affordable for families on fixed incomes. I'd like to see more of this come back and be enacted on a larger scale, cutting out the big factory middle men.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
19. Lots of ranchers out by me - ranchers & local small grocery bought the local
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:06 AM
Oct 2021

meat processing company. High quality grass fed beef, not corn finished, gets good prices. Now we always have grass fed beef in our small local grocery. Small ranchers out here sell direct to customers - starting at $200 you can get a nice selection of beef. A woman in my book club can sell all the grassfed beef she has direct to people in the community.

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