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How TikTok and a Gen Z aesthetic are selling a lifestyle used to justify misogyny and white supremacy in Americahttps://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/tradwife-gen-z
Mention the word tradwife and you might imagine the 1950s archetype: A traditional wife in a dress and an apron, smiling at her husband and three kids while presenting a gleaming beef roast at the dinner table, pleased as ever in her domestic domain. For a swath of right-wing American men, that image is part of a fantasy of how things used to be, in the good ol days before antifa and Black Lives Matter and feminist YouTubers ruined everything. The tradwife symbolizes stability at least for those who imagine social change as an attack on their identity and being. It is the submissive and breedable meme, made unironic by chauvinism. It is, ultimately, a hatred of women going their own way. Which made it all the more surprising when Mariel Cooksey began noticing the Gen Z women and girls actively repping the tradwife aesthetic and lifestyle online. Cooksey, a researcher at the Institute for Research on Male Supremacy, decided to study why and how this rhetoric spreads, and found that teen girls are being attracted to the movement thanks to an evolution in how tradwife ideas are marketed and presented.
Anti-feminist women rising at various moments to support male-led movements is nothing new (see: the Ku Klux Klan). But the blend of Gen Z online culture and old-world patriarchal beliefs is harder to parse. Cooksey describes it as a pyramid scheme, with influencers able to tap into a much broader group of women, looking for counterculture in an increasingly chaotic world. This isnt the same phenomenon as MAGA girls, and ironically, you see some Gen Z tradwife accounts posting critically about them. Because even Trump Republicanism has modern feminism in it women are running for Congress, you know? Cooksey explains. Instead, these young women are filling a niche thats a counterpart of young male extremism in the far right. On the surface, identifying as a tradwife doesnt necessarily mean you align with white nationalism or other extremist political views. But the overlap in rhetoric and the whiteness of the movement is stark, and Cooksey tells me that some tradwife influencers are explicit in their sharing of extremist ideas, with personalities like Ayla Stewart (aka Wife With A Purpose) and Caitlin Huber (Mrs. Midwest) interacting openly with white nationalist accounts.
Consider it the next chapter in the story of how the alt-right has given way to niche subcultures that repackage the same toxic ideas on masculinity, gender roles, family values and the need for patriarchy. This isnt just a response to modern feminism tradwife influencers are at the intersection of white and male supremacy in America, rooted in a theory that order will return to society if women submit to men and support the family while ignoring everything else. That such old-school conservative beliefs are being held up as counterculture by Gen Z women and girls is another sign of fascism creep. I recently sat down with Cooksey for a conversation on whats different about this version of tradwife idealism, the ways in which young women are attracted to it as a form of online counterculture and why it needs to be studied.
When did you start to investigate how some of these right-wing, deeply misogynistic ideas are gaining traction with young women again?
I graduated with my masters in December and a large part of my thesis was the relationship between the alt-right and Christianity, and how newer Gen Z offshoots are branching out from alt-right culture over the last five, six years. Its young people who swear theyre not part of the alt-right, but have undeniable roots in it, like the American Identity Movement or Nick Fuentes and the Groypers. These are groups that are oriented at the campus level, under the age of 25, generally. Ive been keeping an eye on this cohort for a long time. It occurred to me that the female side of this movement isnt brought into the fold a lot because, for instance, the Groypers are very exclusionary toward women. Ultra misogynistic. Yet they have these expectations for how they want their future wives and families to look. And I wondered how these incel overtones would work in relationships. Of course theres the fundamentalists Fundy influencers but they tend to be older, married and more focused on a conservative Christian view. So where would younger girls fit in? And what kind of content are they putting out?
Whats the history of this subculture, and why is the Gen Z approach so different? .......................
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Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)Because the article points at some practical points.
This is my own opinion, but Im convinced that Gen Z is affected by the fear of collapse
These kids lived through 2008 and the pandemic shutdown. They saw women leave the workforce to take care of the house. Id bet many of the were in day care at some point, which had people other than their parents raising them so both parents could work. That also sucks. Add to that student loans and Im not surprised that people want to avoid that life. Im not justifying this lifestyle but the current one isnt necessarily better for women AND men. We just saw articles on DU about men avoiding college. I can understand people seeing a life of loans, day care, and traffic and running the other way.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Celerity
(43,096 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That's not to be mistaken for support of inequality.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)in the tradwife movement.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)On the basis of aesthetics.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)Celerity
(43,096 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)lol whatever you say Ché.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)madaboutharry
(40,189 posts)But wasnt the feminist movement supposed to be about women having choices? Not everyone was meant to run a corporation. In the a absence of doing illegal things or hurting others, people should be allowed to live their lives the way they choose without having to apologize for it.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Many of them consider unmarried women, especially never-married women to be worthless. If you aren't hurting others, and don't judge my life, you do you, but if you judge my life, I will judge you back.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)There's tons of examples, but few better than this video. They ask whether "progressive christians" would "welcome her." I don't know how it's supposed to work, but I'm not sure that it us up to regular followers to accept anyone.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)kind of life. I stayed home when my kids were small...wasn't easy on one income but we managed. And honestly, when I went back to work at a less than fulfilling job, I still had hours of housework, cooking, and driving the kids around...hubs traveled. I doubt it has much to do with white supremacy. People should live as they choose and having a parent in the House is often a good thing...could be a husband staying home too.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)money of their own, and of being controlled by some white supremacist fool.
I bet more independence will look a lot better to a lot of them then.
Because housework sucks. And when housework is your life, your life sucks.
jimfields33
(15,692 posts)One thing that might happen is a parent stays home until the kids are in first grade. That used to be a thing more common. The thing is, it doesnt need to be the wife. The husband could be the one to wait a few years to go back to work. In fact, that has grown a bit as well. Husbands staying home running the house is growing. I say do what works for your family. There are 330 million people in America. Many different scenarios in families.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)Probably around 15 years
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)Especially if theyre wrapped up with kids at 20-25.
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)most of the 15 years because they're trapped with only the kids and the socks.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)She was raised with 5 adoring older brothers in a fundamentalist household and also as a CA "Valley girl." We watched in some amazement as she vowed to hold herself in subjection to her husband in all things, etc.
She was in college but had apparently never reconciled her expectations as a dutiful wife and as a spoiled-silly, second-wave-product Valley girl. She quickly did once married, and her husband -- who believed he'd acquired a servant wife -- got by far the nastier shock. Her brothers swooped in and cleaned out their new two-story home full of new furnishings and didn't even leave a roll of toilet paper for him when he arrived home from work.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)way which really limits your freedom.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is honored on a pedestal or exploited and degraded, or any combination in between, is up to the people involved. The trick is making the right choice for oneself, and being allowed to. Our young friend didn't know what that was yet but eventually married nicely and settled into a very normal traditional-lite role. I've known women, though, who've been very strong believers in the superior moral dignity and worth of their very traditional choices.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)'suck'. So much judgement there...I say live and let live.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Like that is realistic. Who ARE these people and what is this bizarre little fantasy world that they live in?
sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)of money for only one party to support a stay at home care taker. And I can hardly afford a beef roast today (I think about that every time the "Pioneer Woman" roasts a whole beef tenderloin that would cost us $120).
jimfields33
(15,692 posts)Then I found out she and her husband are worth 150 million. Still like the show.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)Ayla Stewart (mentioned in my OP article)
https://jezebel.com/youre-not-a-racist-and-neither-am-i-the-former-feminis-1844453301
As viral content goes, the photograph was a blockbuster, accumulating more than ten million likes and three hundred thousand comments on Instagram. First published on July 13, 2017, it showed music megastar Beyoncé cradling her one-month-old twins against her naked torso, standing beachside in front of an arch laced with lush flower blossoms. A pale teal veil was affixed to her rippling blond hair, and a sheer purple robe cascaded from her shoulders to her bare feet. Her head was tilted so that her face caught the sunlight beaming down from the clear blue sky. In the distance was a blurry horizon where ocean met air. The image was a visual echo of Beyoncés famous pregnancy photos, released earlier the same year. The aesthetic was inspired by art dating back centuries: Beyoncé was Raphaels Madonna, Botticellis Venus, the Virgin of Guadalupe. She was a Black woman inserting herself into a canon that so rarely depicted figures of color, much less glorified them. She appears as not one but many womenor, instead, maybe the universal woman and mother, an art history professor at New York University told Harpers Bazaar.
When she saw the photo, Ayla Stewart had a different take. She wondered why people had such reverence for Beyoncé, the kind Ayla believed should be reserved for the divine. A devoutly Christian mother of six with a round, dimpled face and wide blue eyes, Ayla decided to denounce what she saw as idolatry. As Beyoncés image ricocheted around the internet, Ayla screen-grabbed it. She juxtaposed the photo with a painting of the Virgin Mary and an infant Jesus, encircled by gilded haloes. Ayla captioned the side-by-side comparison Tubillardine [sic] Whiskey (1952) vs. Kool-Aid. Mary was the vintage; Beyoncé was the fake stuff.
Ayla shared the meme on Twitter, where she kept an account under the name Wife with a Purpose. Reactions were swift, and some were furious. Girl, fuck you, one Twitter user wrote. I havent beat anyone up all year so Im ready to fight. The website Bossip included Ayla in a roundup of mediocre mayo packets who spent their whole entire payday splattering not-very-subtle racism all over Al Gores world wide web because they didnt like Beyoncés photo. In Aylas case, the racism was in the association between Kool-Aid and African Americans, a long-standing stereotype implying that Black people enjoyor can only affordcheap, childish, and unhealthy things.
Ayla had established herself as one of the internets most vocal proponents of tradlife, short for traditional lifestyle, a movement advocating retrograde values and hierarchies between men and women, states and citizens, God and humankind. She believed that white, Christian, heterosexual people, who represented all that was natural and good in America, were under threat from immigrants, feminists, liberals, and LGBTQ people. Tired, Ayla once typed in red letters over an Instagram image of two transgender women of color; woke, she wrote over an adjoining photograph of a large white family.
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peggysue2
(10,823 posts)This is simply another way to spin Replacement Theory. And for a double win? Women get the blame.
All things old are new again. My mother is spinning in her grave!
Ugh!
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)one should not paint all women with the same brush...I was home for years...and I can assure you I don't hold those sort of idiotic views nor did the women I interacted with...many of us had husbands who traveled and didn't live near family so we became each other's family...It was a good life. And I am grateful I was able to do it. My kids benefitted as well. Now, my working neighbors, had their kids come and hang out with me after school and that was fine. The kids had friends and lots of fun.
Mr.Bill
(24,238 posts)it appears she is trying to slowly kill her entire family with Cholesterol.
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milestogo
(16,829 posts)This is only true for a small number of people now. So this is only an option for the wealthy.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)That life is too complex and people have too many things. Their argument is to reduce expenses by simplifying.
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)is essential, not just to reduce expenses but also for the earth.
Their message is that women are chattel and a really chattel-y woman is the only kind of woman who is able to be happy.
Or who has a right to be happy.
So if you aren't chattel, you are scum.
And if you are chattel, and you are desperately unhappy, you are crazy.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The huge earnings gap developed between the upper half and lower half of the working classes is real, but personal expectations and notions of what's important make it possible for a lot of others. I was a stay at home mom and evening college student until our kids entered school, quite an economic sacrifice (and state commuter college instead of UCLA), but we managed it by just doing it.
We bought a home we could afford and delayed moving up to a second one. We did NOT buy the new cars, furnishings, and $3000 patio sets so many young couples today think they're supposed to have. We diverted money from acquiring "things" to living good.
Lots of working people do it.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... of stay at home care taker would be great if we weren't still living in 1950s employment racism.
malletgirl02
(1,523 posts)Many families during that time period and earlier needed two or even more incomes, meaning that not only mom and dad had to work outside the home, the kids also had to as well. My great grandmother was a maid, and her daughter my grandmother started working as a maid at 13. My paternal grandmother worked outside the home and worked until she died, and my maternal grandmother worked outside the home from when she was 13 until she had to retire due to health reasons. Also, both were not trailblazing feminists, just regular women fight with their husbands for their families to survive.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)A lot of families in the 50's of course had two parents working. It was just the reality. But the increase of two income households in the last seventy years has not really caused that dramatic an increase in the standard of living. It just means we have much bigger houses and a lot more toys. It doesn't mean we are happier.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... era racism among employment and health care is negotiaed among the rich but people on DU still think basic life expenses in America is affordble with one income?
omfg
tanyev
(42,515 posts)about having so few options for their lives. But you wouldn't know that from the marketing and ad campaigns in the corresponding popular media.
Renew Deal
(81,845 posts)People die off and society forgets. Thats why we make the same mistakes over and over. People that grew up in post-war America are around 70 now. Many that fought in those wars are already gone.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)couldn't take care of themselves but were portrayed as troubled yet normal and suitable enough as women for protagonists to fall in love with. (!) Of course serious mental issues weren't recognized understood very well.
But also the very constrained traditional roles all women were supposed to fit themselves into for life, whether they were suited or not, were never examined for why all those alcoholic wives were so deeply unhappy. More often than not they just had too much leisure and not enough people to find meaning in taking care of.
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)lots of kids and took LOTS of little helpers.
blogslug
(37,982 posts)It's not nearly the "trend scare" piece as the Mel Magazine one cited in your OP. I don't think she is saying there's some great surge of Gen Z women baking bread and sewing sheets into hoods. I think what she is saying is that there have always been women perfectly willing to support their racist, sexist men and Gen Z is no different. The only thing that's changed are the platforms from which they proselytize.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)which I'd expect to be somewhat emphasized in those swept up in this surge of stronge, even fanatic, social conservatism.
For those women who are authoritarian by nature, of course their natures mean they were always, and always will be, liable to choose husbands who fulfill their need for someone to at least take the lead in their households, and for some much more.
Others are just happy in traditional roles -- often in the small, personalized worlds of friends, family, "traditional" community many prefer. Others still are happy with the luxury of not having to work outside the home for a living, nothing to do with female submission or oppression.
blogslug
(37,982 posts)It's a good companion to this one by Meg Conley: https://www.megconley.com/by-design/
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...Racist socialists eating food prepared in centralized kitchens staffed by underpaid people is dystopic. Gilmans vision is chilling and violent. Its hard to consider that dystopic, chilling, violent things have much to do with our warm reality. But if reality feels warm, it's probably because you are in a room designed for your comfort. How many white women found their consuming feminism on the unpaid and underpaid labor of others?
White communists, white socialists, white feminists, white capitalists and white supremacists all hoping to engineer whole societies by designing the kitchen. Each saw kitchens as permanently fitted with women - they just disagreed over what that meant. All kept the footprint of patriarchal understanding and most anchored deep into racist foundations. None of their blueprints made room for the meaning of the work in the kitchen. Forget the meaning, they could hardly be bothered with the function. Lihotzky, with all her research into pantry placement, didnt seem very concerned when peasants' pantries were made fatally empty. She wanted to design a world for certain women, in a certain way. If other women starved while that world was built, maybe it was because they didnt deserve to be part of the design...
After having watched that LulaRoe documentary LulaRich, writer Ann Helen Peterson interviewed Ms. Conley about it and it's also very good:
https://annehelen.substack.com/p/what-got-left-out-of-lularich
erpowers
(9,350 posts)In my opinion the Mel Magazine article is not that bad. The title makes the trend seems like a big deal, but then the article, especially the interview, seemed to suggest that this is only coming from a few women who have come from homes that are already supportive of this idea.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)joetheman
(1,450 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)ExciteBike66
(2,297 posts)10 years as of Friday!
My wife stayed home when our kid was too young for school, but the whole time she wanted to work and hated doing all the chores these women apparently love. It's funny because my wife is totally into the 1950's fashion, but that is as far as her obsession with that decade goes...
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)your house. I could not stand living in a mess.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I have someone come in once a month. If I could afford it, I would have them come once per week.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)You can add that to the pool person, A bug spraying guy, The guy in the rowboat that cleans our lake. ...
But I'm holding fast on the gardener. I didn't excuse to get out there and get some exercise and some sunshine.
bedazzled
(1,757 posts)They believe the Disney princess meme. That level of trust, depending on the man, can be very foolish. If you marry, say, Donald trump, in 20 years you are turned in for a new model. At least he allegedly pays you off at the end. You are way more likely to end up in a relationship with the likes of Edgar in men in black at this point. Also, little social security.
Scrivener7
(50,911 posts)knew they had to depend on themselves are comfortable.
Those who expected to be taken care of are a bit desperate, and have lots of financial fears.
bedazzled
(1,757 posts)They have forgotten that, other than your family most times, the only one you can trust to take care if you, is you.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I think Ivana got him when he was fairly young and still stupid. I do not think Marla Maples ended up so well off. I am not sure he signed a prenup with Ivana. Even if he did it seems it was a bad one for him. With Marla, I think he signed a prenup that was much more favorable to him. It is possible that is why Melania is staying with him after he lost the 2020 election. Maybe the prenup does not give her a large amount of money.
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-prenup-melania-everything-we-know-2019-4#the-agreement-also-stipulated-that-trump-would-stop-the-100000-child-support-payments-for-maples-young-daughter-tiffany-when-she-turned-21-or-if-she-got-a-full-time-job-enlisted-in-the-military-or-joined-the-peace-corps-11
Under the final agreement, Ivana was awarded $25 million plus the couple's Greenwich mansion, or an additional $22 million if the mansion was sold before the divorce was finalized.
Donald was also ordered to pay about $650,000 annually in child support for the couple's three children similar to what Mrs. Trump agreed to in a prenuptial agreement.
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After they settled in 1999 on Trump handing over just $2 million, Maples called the prenuptial agreement a "big battle" and said it "had been placed before me just five days before our 1993 wedding."
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The agreement also stipulated that Trump would stop the $100,000 child support payments for Maples' young daughter Tiffany when she turned 21 or if she got a full-time job, enlisted in the military, or joined the Peace Corps.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)The United States needs to do a better job of teaching history. The Feminist movement and the reason for its origin need to be discussed in high school history classes. It is possible that many young women do not know that there was a time when women were not able to do all the things the wanted to do. I think I have heard women say they do not need Feminism to do things like getting into law school. The problem is that some young women might not realize there was a time when it was much harder, if not impossible for women to get advanced educations. Teaching the history of Feminism in high school would possibly help young people understand what life was like for women in the past and why some felt they needed to create a movement.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)Some Gen-Xers had a brief moment of being into swing music and wearing fedoras in the 90's.
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demmiblue
(36,823 posts)marble falls
(57,010 posts)... and widows who opened the shops and did home businesses in the days of women not having the vote or being able to land.
Not all fish needed bicycles back then, either.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/a-woman-needs-a-man-like-a-fish-needs-a-bicycle.html
Champp
(2,114 posts)OK, buster, that will be REMEMBERED right up to the day your suitcase is set out by the front door.
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hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Im a child of the sixties and I cannot imagine ANY woman not being a feminist, wanting
no, actually, demanding
equality.
A woman should most definitely be able to choose how she wants to live her life. But I cannot believe that the Duggar-esque lifestyle of birthin and breast feeding babies as the all there is to life is very appealing to most women.
Maybe its my generation, or maybe its just common sense. Women can do anything and they should never forget that. So why settle for being subservient?
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hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Wow!
How old are you and do you have children?
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hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I dont think its any of your business. My post clearly says that women should be able to choose their way of life. I just dont personally understand those who choose the stay at home and depend on someone else to be the breadwinner attitude. I have always been more independent than that.
Welcome to DU. I think you should read my post again.