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Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:15 PM

Thank God Facebook is down

It is a shitty sink of misinformation, faux outrage, right-wingers, and partisan shit-mongering pushed by the algorithm.

Posted from my Twitter account.

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Reply Thank God Facebook is down (Original post)
Sympthsical Oct 4 OP
Polybius Oct 4 #1
Xipe Totec Oct 4 #3
Irish_Dem Oct 4 #15
Polybius Oct 4 #19
Irish_Dem Oct 4 #20
Thtwudbeme Oct 4 #24
Polybius Oct 4 #31
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #58
Irish_Dem Oct 5 #66
PortTack Oct 4 #2
elleng Oct 4 #4
onenote Oct 4 #5
Ferrets are Cool Oct 4 #21
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #59
frogmarch Oct 4 #8
msongs Oct 4 #6
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #7
Sympthsical Oct 4 #11
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #14
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #65
New Breed Leader Oct 4 #16
ColinC Oct 4 #23
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #25
ColinC Oct 4 #26
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #27
ColinC Oct 4 #28
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #29
ColinC Oct 4 #30
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #32
ColinC Oct 4 #33
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #36
ColinC Oct 4 #37
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #38
ColinC Oct 4 #39
Ms. Toad Oct 4 #43
ColinC Oct 5 #47
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #62
LeftInTX Oct 4 #34
ColinC Oct 4 #35
LeftInTX Oct 4 #40
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #61
ColinC Oct 5 #76
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #78
ColinC Oct 5 #80
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #60
ColinC Oct 5 #77
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #79
ColinC Oct 5 #81
AngryOldDem Oct 5 #51
Ms. Toad Oct 5 #55
AngryOldDem Oct 5 #68
Ms. Toad Oct 5 #73
GusBob Oct 4 #9
Just_Vote_Dem Oct 4 #10
Post removed Oct 4 #12
ret5hd Oct 4 #13
ret5hd Oct 4 #17
asiliveandbreathe Oct 4 #22
ThoughtCriminal Oct 4 #18
OhioBlue Oct 4 #41
ThoughtCriminal Oct 4 #42
LeftInTX Oct 4 #45
LeftInTX Oct 4 #44
OhioBlue Oct 4 #46
LeftInTX Oct 5 #52
NurseJackie Oct 5 #72
OhioBlue Oct 5 #82
electric_blue68 Oct 5 #48
LeftInTX Oct 5 #49
electric_blue68 Oct 5 #53
AngryOldDem Oct 5 #50
Celerity Oct 5 #56
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #63
LuckyCharms Oct 5 #54
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #64
AngryOldDem Oct 5 #70
LeftInTX Oct 5 #74
LeftInTX Oct 5 #75
Roisin Ni Fiachra Oct 5 #71
Demsrule86 Oct 5 #57
NurseJackie Oct 5 #67
USALiberal Oct 5 #69

Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:15 PM

1. Wouldn't it be awesome if we all went back to MySpace?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:18 PM

3. I was okay with Fido Net. nt

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Response to Polybius (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:38 PM

15. We could just put our pictures in albums and send letters again.

I'd actually be fine with that.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:54 PM

19. But digital has it's purposes

Fire or flood can destroy photos, but not if they're uploaded on a cloud service.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:58 PM

20. Good points. But my cloud is full.

I keep trying to weed it out, but still keeps saying full.

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Response to Thtwudbeme (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:10 PM

31. That's why you should have two clouds

Or even more. Make those photos nuke proof.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:00 AM

58. We could also use a horse and buggy instead of a car or train. But I don't want to.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #58)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:03 AM

66. Yep. I will take a pass on the horse and buggy!

And I would be the first to scream to high heaven if I didn't have my iPhone or MacBook at my side.
I often wonder how we functioned before these communication devices came into our lives.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:17 PM

2. save democracy....kill fb!

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:19 PM

4. and a place where many connect with friends and family,

aside from politics.

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Response to elleng (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:20 PM

5. And a place that many- including DUers -- rely on for their businesses

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Response to onenote (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:58 PM

21. Ditto!!!

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Response to onenote (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:01 AM

59. I use Facebook marketplace quite a bit.

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Response to elleng (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:23 PM

8. But at least

Fb crashing appears to have made some DUers very, very happy, so there's that.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:22 PM

6. posted from my twitter account lolol nt

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:22 PM

7. It's a tool. Nothng more.

If you feel like you can't restrain yourself from using a knife to stab your neighbor, don't pick it up. But I find that knife darn useful in making salads and I'm not about to to back to tearing my carrot into small chunks with my bare hands because some people are unable to control their evil urges when they pick up a knife.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:30 PM

11. Oh, I use FB

Friends and family stuff once a week. No politics. Pictures of kittens.

I'm just enjoying the current moment. Celebrating a social media giant is down . . . while on a social media giant.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:38 PM

14. Hard to tell around here -

since so many people are really rabidly anti-facebook. It gets tiresome.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:17 AM

65. I agree.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:40 PM

16. Well said. nm

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:20 PM

23. Facebook is less a tool that can be misused as the people using it and the information they give

If we don't think facebook is a trustworthy entity, then we might be better off finding more responsible means of interacting with family, friends, and sharing cat videos. I personally do that with text message. Anybody outside of a reasonably sized text chain shouldn't be knowing my business anyways, quite frankly.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:34 PM

25. That may work for you,

But it doesn't work for a lot of us.

We have two very rare (and fatal) diseases in our family - diseases rare enough that most of the research on the diseases consists of case studies. One has some treatments, the other has no medical treatment (beyond symptom management). When my daughter was diagnosed with the one which has no medical treatment, the sum total of the information available on the internet was symptom management & 10-years to death or transplant. We have friends in this community who are on their 5th transplant - because even transplant is not a cure.

Those of us with such diseases, and our familes, find facebook an invaluable tool for limiting our isolation, communicating how to survive, sharing information that we can then pass on to our doctors, and providing the safety net for those newly diagnosed. So, just a tad more important than the patronizing and dismissive "cat videos" comment you made.

So if you can't restrain yourself from grabbing that knife and stabbing your neighbor - I guess yo know yourself better than I do. But please stop shaming people who find knives invaluable tools.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:40 PM

26. It has nothing to do with us. It has to do with the irresponsibility and malfeasance of the company.

And the fact that they have already lost 1.5 billion profiles and the information they contain to hackers -which could include your own. They are complicit in the attempted overthrow of our government, the continuing unraveling of our social fabric -and they are not the only means in which you can interact with people on. Google plus is one alternative that could prove invaluable to networking. I imagine there are plenty of ways you could do the things described above without facebook, and if what has happened today is any indication, it appears that folks should start looking for those alternatives.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:57 PM

27. Stop shaming people for whom facebook is an invaluable tool. Period.

You want a different tool - build it. It may be that people will migrate to it. But blaming people living under the threat of death or with severe disabilities, who often can't find anyone else witin a 100 mile radius living with the same condition, and can't find doctors who have even treated the condition before, for accessing the existing support communities on facebook is like blaming impoverished inner city residents for their poor diets because they are too "lazy" to go search out better alternatives.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:01 PM

28. I'm not shaming anybody. I'm simply pointing out they are not the only way you can

Do the things you describe. The site has been down for quite a while, and it isn't unreasonable to look for alternative ways to keep in touch with people at this point

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Response to ColinC (Reply #28)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:02 PM

29. Right. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:06 PM

30. Do you deny that Facebook is not the only way you can interact with people?

Is it not possible to find an alternative? I shame Facebook for being the equivalent of a criminal organization that takes advantage of people.it can be used for lots of good, but unless it becomes highly regulated to prevent the horrifying level of disinformation and haven for right wing extremism, it is better for it to be gone.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 08:55 PM

32. There are also alternatives convenience stores for food for poverty stricken inner city residents.

Do you suggest that they figure out how to transport themselves to those other alternatives, find the extra time in the day it takes to ride the bus (often hours) to get to a healthier, more economical alternative? Or that they build new stores in their neighborhoods because convenience stores are calorie-filled nutritional wastelands.

If you haven't seen it before, educate yourself about the impact of living with a limited supply of spoons.

https://butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory/

So while it is theoretically possible to find an alternatve, it takes more spoons than we have to spare. And frankly we have a lot better things to spend our limited supply of spoons on than tossing a functional tool that provides a home for the supportive community and finding/creating a replacementmerel because someone who is clueless about living on a limited supply of spoons, and the need for the communities that exist on facebook, can't figure out how to restrain their impulses to use th tool for evil.

Facebook is the primary location for most medical support groups. Until that changes, it is where communities for people with rare disease need to be. Finding support and information when you are newly diagnosed with a disease that only a few thousand, or even a few hundred thousand, have is nearly impossible. Prior to facebook there were other listservs where people knew to go for medical support (or which came up on search engines). Those have largely all vanished or migrated to facebook. Providing a safe landing space for those newly diagnosed is critical, and making it harder to find that safe landing space is unacceptable.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:03 PM

33. Comparing apples and oranges to well, facebook...

Social media is not and never actually was a necessity to live. It is a technological convenience that we lived thousands of years without. That is not the case with food.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:18 PM

36. You are confusing the platform with the need.

Stores are not a necessity to live, either. They are merely the primary current platform to distribute food (which is the necessity).

Medical support communities are a necessity for those of us with rare, chronic, and deadly diseases. Facebeook is merely the platform that that allow us to connect with the few others around the globe in the same condition.

But for these medical support groups, several people I know would have died for lack of a transplant (cadaver organs are in short supply, my daughter's disease makes her appear healthier than her organ actually is, and the organ can be transplanted from a live donor - several of which have connected via medical support groups; I was tested as a donor for a young man about my daughter's age because he was close to transplant than my daughter - and by the time she will need an organ I will be too old to donate.);

many children I know are stlll living with their original organs - rather than being on their second or third transplant - because of an accidental medical discovery that puts their disease in remission a discovery that was spread among parents largely by word of mouth via medical support groups.

Most of the research on my daughter's disease now recruits participants through the medical support groups. There are so few in any one medical practice - EVEN one as large as Mayo or the Cleveland Clinc - that there is no other way to gather enough particpants for medical trials.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:20 PM

37. facebook does not sell anything that is needed to live.

Stores sell food, which is needed to live. Yet, people did just fine without socializing on the internet long before the internet ever existed. If stores shut down, millions would starve. If facebook shut down, you would be just fine. Inconvenienced, but fine. It is not the same as not having access to food.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:25 PM

38. You clearly have no experience

with chronic, rare, deadly diseases.

Count your blessings, and stop shaming thoe of us who do about the tools we use to survive.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:30 PM

39. Nobody is shaming anybody.

And no, I don't have any experience with rare, deadly diseases. But it still sounds incredibly far fetched if you believe that you will die without social media. That might just be my ignorance speaking, but still...

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Response to ColinC (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

43. It is your ignorance speaking,

and you are both shaming and ridiculing the critical role medical support groups play in the lives of those of us with chronic, rare, and deadly diseases, by trivializing it as "social media" as it is the "cat video" aspect of social media I've been talking about. So you should just stop.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:22 AM

47. Fair enough




But I am not shaming nor do I think it is wrong for people to use the platform themselves, regardless of what I think of the company that owns it. Again, I am shaming the company, not you.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:11 AM

62. Well said Ms Toad.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:08 PM

34. Try doing Armenian genealogy without Facebook

Just try it!

I don't live near an Armenian community. The moderators are always sharing resources. That's where everyone goes who has family who has perished from genocide. There are very few to no records prior to the US. All records were destroyed. I have my great grandfather's book. Other Armenians have books their families have written. You don't know what it's like

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:11 PM

35. Interesting!

Although, as many folks mentioned -facebook is a tool, not a necessity. Although in this case it sounds like it can be a very valuable tool. Thank you for sharing.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:12 PM

40. And where else am I gonna find out about what's going on with hydrocephalic cats..LOL?

It popped up in a cat group I'm in. So I follow it out of morbid curiosity. They post about once a day. They're a rescue group who rescues hydrocephalic cats and I had been a pediatric nurse. I'm like WTF is this? Cats? Shunts, brain surgery?

The internet never fails to find something that I had never heard of before. Gosh, they spend $$$$$$ to rescue those cats and they all die or have horrible neuro issues. The cats can barely walk. They also can't poop and require enemas (They have to get the enemas under anesthesia, they do not show the enemas) It's so weird.

Then, there's a lady in Romania who takes care of crippled cats. They're all in beds and wrapped up and swaddled like babies.

I guess you could find this stuff on Youtube too...

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Response to ColinC (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:09 AM

61. I choose to use Facebook for that purpose and it is not your business to tell me or anyone

what to do or how to live our lives. You don't like Facebook then don't use it.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #61)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:12 PM

76. I never told you not to.

To paraphrase, I have been saying "you can live without it," as I assume we all did for the few hours it was gone.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #76)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:17 PM

78. Maybe we could, but I don't want to...a better approach would be to learn how to use it to our

advantage because if you think folks are going back to writing letters...they are not. Time marches on...the good and the bad.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #78)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:20 PM

80. Yep

And that is plenty okay. My issues with Facebook being a terrible company in no way reflects how I feel about it's users.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:07 AM

60. Facebook did not try to overthrow the government. It was a tool used for this purpose.

I like facebook and honestly am not interested in all of this hysteria about ending Facebook. We live in a Republic ( if we can keep it).We can't 'end' private companies or free speech for that matter. It is a useful tool. Lets make it work for us.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:32 PM

77. There appears to be considerable documentation suggesting their gross malfeasance

whether intentional or not. Lifting their rule enforcement right before January 6 is suspect -and knowing their platform was utilized for such a thing without enforcing their own rules in the matter, is also suspect. I understand that companies and people are protected by free speech to an extent. Free speech, however, is not a free pass to say whatever you like. Organizing to overthrow the government or yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre are two examples where speech is no longer protected. And where a platform does knowingly allow people to break their rules through organized terrorism, it should be held accountable.

While I agree facebook is a useful tool, strong regulations in how it conducts itself can and should be implemented to prevent its' users from causing serious damage.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #77)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:19 PM

79. Regardless what you or others think Facebook should have done to confront the risk...they

were not part of any conspiracy, and to suggest otherwise is wrong...malfeasance is a word with no meaning really.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #79)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:23 PM

81. Nobody is saying they were part of a conspiracy.

Intentional neglect that leads to violence or destruction can be a criminal act. You don't need to be part of a conspiracy to still be liable of others' actions.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:40 AM

51. But given its well-known issues....

Can’t we at least acknowledge and try to address them, as we also recognize the benefits that Facebook may provide to some people? Facebook. obviously, is not going anywhere, so making this a zero-sum game is folly. But that doesn’t mean we ignore the damage it has obviously done.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #51)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:47 AM

55. Be my guest.

Changing facebook is not where I choose to spend the limited time I have.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #55)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:41 AM

68. FB has fomented political extremism for profit.

I’m tired of the “hands-off” attitude people seem to have toward Facebook. Yes, it’s good for certain communities and for keeping tabs on people, but that’s not the issue. Regulating algorithms that direct people to incendiary rhetoric that can adversely impact the political climate is the issue. Anything can be abused — thus the reason for oversight and regulation, which FB has avoided. It is not your job, nor mine, to do change it — it’s FB’s, and I hope today’s hearing is a good start.

I know I’m not going to win this argument with you, so be well.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #68)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:58 AM

73. There are so many things which need our attention

That no one can do everything that needs to be done. Each of us has to pick and choose where to spend whatever activism energy we have. If reforming Facebook is where you choose to spend yours, have at it. It's just not even close to a priority for where I spend mine.

But it is a tool that I find useful for a variety of things (including having some very productive conversations on political matters with people with whom I would be very unlikely otherwise to talk with about politics), so I'm not going to ignore the frequent shaming on DU directed at people who use Facebook.


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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:23 PM

9. Very clever

How much Twitter bullshit is posted on DU?

Trumps every tweet was spread here not just daily, but multiple times a day



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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:23 PM

10. LOL

Thank God Twitter still stands

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Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:38 PM

13. Hey, it gave YOU a break from...

Your vaccine “research” and opened up a time-slot to vent some poutrage! Think how much richer your life is now! Pizza is sure to be delivered soon!

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:43 PM

17. I was right!!!

That pizza guy musta been knocking on the door as I typed!

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:02 PM

22. Lol

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:52 PM

18. For the past month FB has been pushing lots of ultra-RW pages

I block at least a dozen of their "Suggested for you" every day and they keep coming. They will NEVER run out of wing-nut sites to "Suggest". There are many thousands, maybe tens of thousands, and probably most are hosted by Russia and other Eastern European troll farms.

Considering that the only political pages that I might comment, follow, or like are strongly liberal, it is an interesting insight into their algorithms.

I am a 60+ white male (not sure if they actually know my race, but it probably would not matter). The gender and age knowledge is probably sufficient to be targetted for right-wing outrage, hate, and fear-mongering. Plus, I do follow a few aviation history sites that are also popular with the "Gravy Seal" wannabe demographic.

As for the memes from these pages themselves, Good Lord they are lame! These people think Ben Garrison is spot-on hilarious.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:17 PM

41. Yes! oh my lord - it has been relentless.

I screen shot dozens of them and finally quit because, what was I going to do with the screen shots? But it has been insane. Every time I log on, it seems every other post that I see is either an ad or a "suggested for you" and 90% of those are RW nut sites with horrible memes.

There is no way the algorithms are accurately suggesting this for me. I interact very little outside of liberal groups or nature/photography/camping type groups. I don't have my race or age on FB, I don't take any quizzes or respond to any of the question posts (the ones that ask your favorite food or "do you remember", etc.)

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Response to OhioBlue (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

42. Interesting. I wonder if they are also targeting liberals

with this in hopes of triggering "Engagement"

It is always tempting to post replies to this nonsense, but I always just block. Making me mad is part of the strategy.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 11:04 PM

45. I'm very political on FB. I don't have that issue

I have political posts, I'm friends with local Democratic politicians etc. I'm not friends with any Republicans, except just a few. I have about 500 FB friends.

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Response to OhioBlue (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 10:58 PM

44. I don't have that problem...

I get the annoying ones like, "favorite food", "do you remember". Many of those are sponsored pages and are data-mining gimmicks. I'm actually quite political on FB.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 11:09 PM

46. yes - I know they are data mining and that is why I don't comment on them.

I actually have stopped interacting much at all on FB outside of a few groups and a work and a non-profit site that I admin.

But I get a ton of "suggested for you" posts that as the previous poster indicated are likely from troll farms. Liberal Wackadoodles, Conservative American Patriots, The Republican Post, Anyone BUT a liberal, etc. They are all disgusting memes.

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Response to OhioBlue (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:05 AM

52. I just read, "suggested for you" is based on your friends' interests.

When you see an ad or suggested post click on "i" or three dots in the upper right hand c and you will see, "Why am I seeing this ad?" You can then hide the ad and also request to see, "less ads like this".

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #52)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:08 AM

72. Thank you.

I've done the same thing (not for political reasons, but for repetitive ads of things I have zero interest in).

My experience is nothing at all like the ones I "hear about" on DU... complaining of NONSTOP and AGGRESSIVE ads for RW sites.

I truly have a difficult time at taking all these claims at face value. It always sounds like an exaggerated repetition of the "I know someone who told me their hairdresser's daughter's mother-in-law said".

I just choose my FB friends wisely. And for the occasional odd FB relative that I've "friended" as a courtesy only... I just hide them and "unfollow" them and "see less" of them. Eventually I forget they're even there. They don't interact with me, and I don't interact with them and I don't see the crap they post in their own curated reality.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #72)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:04 PM

82. I'm not telling you about something I heard from another person

I am telling you what my timeline looks like at times over the last couple of months. I say "at times" because it isn't always like this. For instance, I just logged on and probably scrolled through 50 posts before one came up:



And, don't you see the problem with FB suggesting these meme factory pages based on your friends preferences? It is a constant propaganda stream for people in rural areas. Even if they unfollow or ignore people that constantly share political memes, they get "suggested for you" right-wing propaganda in their feed.

"Curating your own reality" is also a problem. The more people live in a bubble of information or disinformation and propaganda, the more likely they are to be swayed to not only vote against their own best interests, to not realize the dangers of Trumpism but to act in ways that harm themselves and society like the irrational outrage and paranoia against vaccines and masks.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:27 AM

48. I don't receive the RW crap (yay), and I make a political ...

comment here, and there.

It's family, friends, Art Making, Crafting, Science, beautiful landscape photos, Music, SF, and 🥰 kittens, and puppies.

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Response to electric_blue68 (Reply #48)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:10 AM

49. I don't either...I'm pretty active...Politics is probably my number one thing...

I even created my own "page"...xxxx Democrats. It's got about 200 followers...Mostly Get Out the Vote Stuff.

I belong to several Democratic groups, also a bunch of left leaning groups...I'm friends with alot of local Democratic politicians...
I'm also in: Genealogy groups, (Armenian and Mexican...the Mexican group could be a full time endeavor), numerous DNA groups, lots of gardening groups, a hiking group, a Texas photography group, a Mississippi River photos group, a cat group, a public education group.....My feed is too busy with my groups and friends posts (I have about 500 of them) ..Heck it gets bombarded with their birthdays, anniversaries, deaths in their family, prayer requests for sick people in their families, prayer requests if they have health problems etc etc. We 're often at events and then there are those pictures, or if my friends are at an event, their pictures. My FB feed is just too darn busy. I'm constantly seeing posts from friends and the groups I'm in. I do get a few of those, "Sponsored link things"

The strangest targeted ad that I got on FB was: Pink 2 Purple Pig Hydration...Yep for pigs..LOL

I have very few Republican friends. With the exception of one, they know better.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #49)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:06 AM

53. I guess politics is in my top five or six...

My dad had me going around our apartment building with him slipping local, and state political flyers under our neighbors' doors by the time I was 12 or so. 😄

I've done volunteer work for campaigns, and various single issues off & on for about 53(!) years.
Four memories
1) I was riding around with others on the back of a flatbed truck with a band in front all decked out in R,W & B and campaign photos for Humphrey going down 5th Ave handing out buttons etc.
2) The last of the massive rallies (in general for politics) for McGovern. I have 2 photos (grainy b&w bc very blown up) from it.
3) Being on the decorating committee at the Sheraton Hilton (NYC) at their big ballroom for Clinton/Gore '92.
Then we got to stay and watch them win. It was sooo
exciting!
4)Being at MSNBC's Election Center in Rockefeller Center's plaza in '08 & '12 for Obama/Biden's win. Fabulous!

Good on you for your GOTV stuff. 👍
When I had access to a computer, design software, and a printer I wrote and designed (sometimes added drawings) letter sized posters I'd put up in my neighborhood, and at one of the biggest University's in Manhattan for 2 maybe 3 Presidencial Campaigns.

The reason I joined DU was a U2 site with a off-topic political etc sub forum had gotten fairly quiet, and I needed more interaction during the '20 election! I remembered seeing DU back in ?00, 01 while at a Net Cafe (no net at home). I remembered the name in June '20 and found it.

Mexican and Armenian - interesting combo! One of these months I'm going to do the geographical ancestry stuff.

Gardening is an endeavor I admire, and have read some stuff on particularly organic vegetables. I love flower gardening as well, as well as garden design itself.

I can see from your description your FB feed is busy, busy, busy. I've added more interest groups. I love besides the people I know chatting with others from all over the USA, and the world.

A pig ad!? Ha! Any farming region near you? Funny!

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:15 AM

50. I know your post is mostly tongue-in-cheek

But I was glad to see this today, and I was glad to see that Zuckerberg lost a shit-ton of money as well. Facebook is a pox on this society and on the democratic process. It has played a huge role in getting us to the state we’re in, and I don’t see how Congress can put any meaningful limit on it. It’s too late. Instagram is just as bad, only on a more personal level.

Facebook has instigated many hurtful and polarizing political arguments within my own family. I am proud to say that I have never had an account, not even when I’ve been told it would make it easier to get event or organization updates. Nope. Not getting sucked into that sewer.

Fuck Facebook. If people think it’s great, that’s fine. But I’ll continue to take a very hard pass.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:07 AM

56. September 26, 2006

The day Fuckerberg opened pandora's box and made FB available to all people 13 years old and up. Before that you needed an approved institution email to join.

Twitter's full version was introduced publicly on July 15, 2006. The tipping point for Twitter's popularity was the 2007 South by Southwest Interactive (SXSWi) conference March 9th to March 13th. During the event, Twitter usage increased from 20,000 tweets per day to 60,000.

Then, the enabling event, the iPhone (and thus all its eventual competion) launched the age of the truly mass market, tech laden smartphone on June 29th, 2007.

The 2007-2008 US election campaign was the first one that had real social media effects on it (Obama team especially) but it was still a fraction of what it is now.

Much later, October 6, 2010, the Instagram iOS app was officially released through the App Store.

You now have all the giants launched (obviously the launches of YouTube on April 23, 2005 and Reddit on June 15th, 2005 already existed) and smartphones to drive them. MySpace was never truly weaponised, and was crumbling to dust by 2009 anyway (due to FB).

Social media combined with near absolutist implementations of the 1st Amendment, plus a complicit federal government caught in the throes of regulatory capture, have been, are, and will be synergistically combining to form a cyber national suicide pact I well and truly fear.


Facebook Expansion Enables More People to Connect with Friends in a Trusted Environment

https://about.fb.com/news/2006/09/facebook-expansion-enables-more-people-to-connect-with-friends-in-a-trusted-environment/

PALO ALTO, Calif. — Sept. 26, 2006 — Facebook, the Internet’s leading social utility, today announced that it has expanded to enable everyone to connect with their friends and the people around them. People can now join one of more than 500 regional networks to share information with other people on Facebook and take advantage of the site’s industry-leading privacy controls.

Previously, a supported “.edu,” “.com,” “.org,” “.gov” or “.mil” email address was needed to register on Facebook. While prior expansions enabled more people from schools, companies, non-profits, and government entities to register for Facebook, this latest expansion makes it possible for anyone with a valid email address to join Facebook and interact with their friends and people in their region. New users are still required to prove affiliation to access an existing college or work network, and are also asked to validate their mobile phone number to verify their account.

“We are expanding to respond to the requests of millions of people who want to be part of Facebook, but haven’t been able to until today,” said Mark Zuckerberg, founder and CEO, Facebook. “About one-third of Facebook’s college users have already graduated and are now interacting with more people outside of their schools and work environment.”

Consistent with Facebook’s unique network structure, people’s profiles are only accessible to other people in the same network and to confirmed friends. Facebook has launched additional privacy controls with this expansion that allow every user to: • Block other users in specific networks from searching for his or her name. • Prevent people in those networks from messaging, poking and adding him or her as a friend. • Control whether his or her profile picture shows up in search results.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:15 AM

63. It is not facebooks fault. It. And if facebook didnt exist, there would

have been some other tool used.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:47 AM

54. I don't use FB.

However, that's my own preference because I do not really have a solid, legitimate reason to use it.

I can, however, see how it can be useful tool for people. It's actually a shame because the founder could tilt his company to the side of good, but he's not doing that in any serious way. For my own personal circumstances in life, the bad aspects of Facebook far outweigh the good. It is the opposite for many other people though, for legitimate and sound reasons.

I'm not going to criticize people who use it. Everyone has their reasons. I don't walk in anyone else's shoes, and they do not walk in mine.

Unless and until I have a need for it, I will continue to stay away from it. Even if I absolutely had to use it, I would hold my nose while doing so, because I believe most social media is a major reason why the entire world seems fucked up in ways that I could never have previously imagined.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #54)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 04:17 AM

64. Great post. Life is about choices.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #54)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:55 AM

70. I don't use it, either.

And I wish people and organizations would stop assuming that I’m on it. Information should be available outside of FB, so that I’m not made to feel excluded, or like a Luddite. (This actually happened to me with a club I had just joined.) I have almost next to no social media footprint, which is exactly how I want it. I have no choice but to use the Internet; I do what I can to limit its impact on my life.

And you are right — social media, from making kids feel shitty about their appearances to posting extremist and violent political tropes, is a huge reason why things are so fucked up, and I wish its defenders would stop using their innocent and worthy experiences of it as a way to deny that simple truth. Almost any innovation — with obvious exceptions, of course — is inherently good. It’s what it’s possibly used for that is the problem.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #70)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 12:13 PM

74. I know what you mean about the exclusion/luddite thing...

Facebook is a real simple medium/free platform for organizations to use. It's much easier than having a webpage. I have both a webpage and a FB page for my volunteer work. However, Google now removed all the Google Classic webpages and now I'm stuck with the new style and it's clunky and extremely time consuming to update. Both FB and Google sites are free, but it's a real pain and lot of work to update a website. Any small business is going to have to invest some money to host a webpage.

Running a FB page is free. Lots of small businesses, such as bakeries and food trucks only have FB pages, no website.

Actually the people who have just FB pages without websites are the real luddites...LOL...Websites are a ton of work...

FB pages are updated with a few clicks..."Hey we're having a sale this weekend"...FB: Create a post, include a map, cut/paste a photo and done..Create an event, so that with one click, it's becomes part of a user's events list.
Webpage: Remove other content, decide where you want to put the sale on your site. Do you want to put a page on top of your page? How do you want people to view your site, so that they can see the sale? Do you need to create a new page. You can spend 5 hours updating a webpage with an event. You can create a FB event with less than 1/2 hour of work.

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Response to AngryOldDem (Reply #70)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 01:36 PM

75. And another thing:

Over the last 10 years, websites have gotten more complicated and cumbersome

It used to be, clubs, small business, small organizations etc: Create a free webpage...AOL Hometown, Angelfire, Geocities..cheap, easy free, shows up in search engines..URL's are easy to remember too.

2008: Free DIY websites options such as AOL Hometown, Angelfire, Geocities are disappearing. I create my first free website on Google Sites. Google Sites has a monopoly on free, but no one really notices. Google Sites are easy.

2015: Google Sites starts a mirror, "New Sites"

2018: I try to create a site with the "New Sites" and it's a PITA. It is also not search engine optimized. URL's are clunky and can't be remembered. Unless you are super tech savvy, the only way anyone can find your new site is if they have the URL memorized!
I keep my Classic Site, because it is search engine optimized.

2019: Google announces it will phase out Classic Sites

2021: Google removes Classic Sites: https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2020/08/transition-classic-to-new-google-sites.html
https://9to5google.com/2020/08/06/google-sets-timeline-for-deprecating-classic-google-sites/

Users are encouraged to purchase their own domain etc. Clubs, food trucks, yard sale groups, families etc can't afford this.

So this is where free websites are going.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #54)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:05 AM

71. +1

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:58 AM

57. I like facebook. Keep up with the family. Lots of pictures. I don't do

politics on Facebook except during election years where I promote Democratic candidates. But maybe I should start sending positive messages about the good things Democrats want to do, Facebook is a tool and can be used to get your message out effectively. We need to learn how to use it properly. What are you going to just hand it over to the GOP? Really?

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:38 AM

67. GOD HATES FACEBOOK!

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GOD HATES FACEBOOK!




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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:50 AM

69. Lol, ok!

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