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Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:24 PM

Facebook being down will be a net positive for society

Most people will have to rely on actual news as opposed to regurgitated conspiracy theories and manufactured disinformation. They will be forced to call their loved ones and have actually conversations, and maybe even go outside. We are getting a glimpse of a facebook-less world, and it is amazing.

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Reply Facebook being down will be a net positive for society (Original post)
ColinC Oct 4 OP
hurple Oct 4 #1
ColinC Oct 4 #2
hurple Oct 4 #10
ColinC Oct 4 #11
PortTack Oct 4 #3
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 4 #4
regnaD kciN Oct 4 #6
ColinC Oct 4 #9
ColinC Oct 4 #7
Takket Oct 4 #27
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 4 #31
ColinC Oct 4 #33
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 4 #53
Takket Oct 4 #57
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 4 #58
Celerity Oct 4 #30
FakeNoose Oct 4 #5
ColinC Oct 4 #8
msongs Oct 4 #12
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 4 #13
ColinC Oct 4 #14
Sympthsical Oct 4 #20
ColinC Oct 4 #21
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #40
GusBob Oct 4 #15
Sympthsical Oct 4 #16
ChazII Oct 4 #17
Goonch Oct 4 #18
Binkie The Clown Oct 4 #19
Bucky Oct 4 #24
Bucky Oct 4 #22
Liberty Belle Oct 4 #23
ColinC Oct 4 #25
doc03 Oct 4 #28
GusBob Oct 4 #29
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #38
GusBob Oct 4 #47
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #48
GusBob Oct 4 #50
doc03 Oct 4 #26
roamer65 Oct 4 #32
LeftInTX Oct 4 #34
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #36
LeftInTX Oct 4 #39
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #41
LeftInTX Oct 4 #43
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #45
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #35
sakabatou Oct 4 #37
tritsofme Oct 4 #42
LeftInTX Oct 4 #46
brooklynite Oct 4 #44
ColinC Oct 4 #49
NurseJackie Oct 4 #52
NurseJackie Oct 4 #51
Tree Lady Oct 4 #54
LanternWaste Oct 4 #55
lamp_shade Oct 4 #56

Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:25 PM

1. Oh Dear Lord...

It's only been a few hours...

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Response to hurple (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:26 PM

2. A beautiful, amazing few hours!

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Response to ColinC (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:34 PM

10. Oh yes...

The flowers are blooming, the birds are chirping, those yesterday anti-vaxxers are flooding into their local Walgreens and Biden's approval rating jumped to 90%.

Puh-leeze...

All this caused was a surge in reddit, 4chan, and youtube traffic.

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Response to hurple (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:36 PM

11. Half the people who this effects don't even know what a reddit or 4chan, is

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:26 PM

3. Oh yes!! Love it

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:26 PM

4. It's actually hurtful for a lot of people as well -- for many, whatsapp and messenger are some

of the only ways to stay in touch with friends and family in other countries. A lot of mutual aid and organizing is done on Facebook.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:28 PM

6. Indeed, plus...

….”now people will have to go outside and interact with other people” is a particularly moronic thing to be happy about during a global pandemic.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:31 PM

9. If you are vaccinated, going outside is not such a dangerous thing.

If you are a moron who is not vaccinated, then going outside is particularly moronic, of course

To suggest that at this point, with billions of vaccines administered, that there is not a way to responsibly interact with people in-person, is a bit crazy.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:29 PM

7. There are alternatives that should be considered

Such as Google. There is still, I believe, a social networking option on Google that many can divert to. Skype too.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:07 PM

27. telephones still exist for someone that is being "hurt" because they can't message someone for a few

hours.

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Response to Takket (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:18 PM

31. You might not know this, but in many parts of the world communication issues make things

like the calling functions on Facebook and Whatsapp the best ways to stay in touch with family back home. You may not think that not being able to communicate with loved ones isn't painful, but I can assure you it very much is.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:49 PM

33. There are a ton of alternatives

Google voice, zoom, and skype are only three of many.

Why in the world do we think that we need to rely on a site that lost 1.5 billion peoples' information to hackers, is making money off of selling your personal information daily, and has admitted to trying to overthrow our government and actively disseminate disinformation?

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Response to ColinC (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:38 PM

53. Alternatives exist, but they're not nearly as easy to access in many parts of the world.

I'm also not saying Facebook isn't a terrible company that needs to be regulated better. All tech companies -- including google, zoom and skype -- are hot garbage in their own ways when it comes to privacy and data. My comments are to remind people that Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp are a lot more than people posting boomer memes, photos of their food and frivolous texting.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:39 PM

57. For SIX HOURS????????????? LOL Seriously???

Honestly, do people call back home every five hours and are in pain right now because they can't talk through facebook?

If you have facebook you have e-mail or a phone (hint: you need an e-mail address or phone number to log into facebook, so if you are on facebook, you obviously have one of these things), if you really can't go five hours without calling back home you can e-mail someone. Or call them. The vast majority of people of facebook and its apps access them through cell phones which means what... That you have a phone!

It looks like facebook is back up now, so this minor inconvenience everyone has suffered is now coming to an end.

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Response to Takket (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:46 PM

58. Right, but communicating over Facebook or Whatsapp is cheaper -- it gets you more bang for your

buck, as in many countries, communications are bought in prepaid bundles. Whatsapp is super cheap on those plans -- people don't use cell service for direct dialing like they do in the U.S. It's a big world, but yes, it's a lot more fun to laugh at others who may be suffering because a vital communication platform is gone and there's no info on when it's coming back.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:16 PM

30. My WhatsApp is working here in Sweden, Facebook is down here though

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:28 PM

5. Anybody who gets their "news" from Facebook - won't know the difference

Their bar is already so low that they can't distinguish between real news and total BS.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:29 PM

8. The difference I think is that it will be slightly harder to get BS outside of facebook

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:37 PM

12. one suspects many people would say the same thing if DU was down. doesnt make them

right however

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Response to msongs (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:38 PM

13. Heh.

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Response to msongs (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:39 PM

14. DU was not complicit in the attempted overthrow of our government

Nor the blatant and willful dissemination of misinformation and conspiracy theories. The comparison is absurd.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:46 PM

20. Uh

If you think any social media isn't chock full of misinformation, just plain wrong stories, or heavily curated slants on things . . . I don't know what to tell you.

Just look at the front page, right now, at this moment. There's a post about how QAnon thinks FB down is because Zuckerberg wants to do nefarious X Thing. There are plenty of posts by posters saying they believe FB is down because Zuckerberg wants to do nefarious X Thing.

A cursory reading around of things (less than one minute effort) would show it's probably a massive DNS issue. Even FB's internals are down. Their own employees cannot work.

The entire internet requires a critical eye to navigate successfully. Yes, even friendly sites. Sometimes especially the friendly sites. Because then your defenses are down and you don't think very critically of what is being fed to you.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:56 PM

21. Facebook is not "the entire internet"

It is currently one website that is largely responsible for the vast majority of misinformation that is spread, and any attempts to deflect to "well a lot of the internet is bad" is simply missing the point of how many people have been sucked into this single website and fooled into a world of delusions. If lost, it should not be mourned.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:54 PM

40. Thank you.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:40 PM

16. I'm really starting to wonder what people think FB is

The entire Internet is what you describe . . . if you go looking for it.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:46 PM

17. For the last week

DU keeps sending me a message that the page needs to be reloaded. Makes me wonder what is happening here. While Facebook won't be a loss to most people here it is a loss for me. I belong to a few cancer and grief support groups. I don't rely on them for news. I just received word that my paternal uncle has passed so I am in a depressed mood. May everyone at DU have a good day.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:46 PM

18. ;-{)🖖

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:46 PM

19. That's why I suspect benevolent space aliens took it down to save us from ourselves. nt

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Response to Binkie The Clown (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:59 PM

24. 💛🤎💙💜 Thank you, space aliens... 🙏

Now I really do welcome our new robo-reptilian overlords

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:57 PM

22. I'm feeling less pugnacious already

It's sunny outside. The birds are chirping.

Maybe I'll go for a walk

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:58 PM

23. I disagree.

Despite the obvious problems of disinformation, there is a LOT of good done on FB.

I cover a 2,000 square foot area of largely rural and mountain towns, as well as urban areas including a major city.

We see FB regularly used recently to:
1. Organize a woman's march Saturday that drew 10,000 people here
2. Keep communities informed through community FB pages about wildfires and storm damage in areas so remote that mainstream media doesn't get out there. These are the online equivalent of the town square, where people also share positive community news--local examples include efforts to build a performing arts amphitheater in a local mountain town, efforts to help a family that lost a home to a fire, tree plantings, park cleanup efforts, warning of mountain lion sightings, efforts to help those in need, and much more.
3. Organize help for Afghan refugee families arriving in our region, with donations of household goods
4. Inform people about community meetings, agenda items before local planning groups, and other civic engagement
5. Find lots of lost pets and reunited them with owners
6. Recruit people for fire safe councils and community emergency response teams
7. Report crimes and suspicious activities such as men stalking girls near schools (the Sheriff rarely bothers to report even such serious crimes), mail and package thieves, often with photos/videos, and more.
8. Enable community reporters to reach out to the public online during the pandemic to get quotes/reactions to breaking news
9. Inform neighbors/friends of memorial services, celebrations of life, and go fund me accounts for families when someone dies
10. Organize community clean-up efforts
11. As a reporter, I can share our own news reports on important topics such as who's eligible for booster shots and where to find them, debunk COVID myths, post links to nonpartisan candidate forums, and get far more readers learning these important things through people sharing widely on FB than the number of subscribers our publication has.

The government should step in and do more to encourage or require FB to block misinformation and accounts from Russian trolls etc. But we should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:00 PM

25. I agree to an extent.

That extent being that until the government steps in more, the harm that is doing unfortunately seems to outweigh the good. I really don't believe that January 6 would have turned out the way it did without facebook.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:10 PM

28. I use it to communicate with my friends. If anyone shares

a Trump thread I put the original author on ignore. I rarely see anything supporting Trump. The only thing pissed me off is there could be a post about anything and someone will always make a comment about Biden or Socialism. I have never seen a Democrat start with politics. It's like anything else it is what you make it. I never share a political post even a Democratic one.

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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:12 PM

29. Thank you

Our small rural remote mountainous community literally uses FB as a lifeline. There is no local newspaper or TV/radio station. All the stuff you mentioned and more. Extreme weather emergencies, fires, floods, water line breaks, wild animals on the prowl, rabies warnings, etc

With COVID it literally is a lifeline, as in saving lives.

As far as democracy: GOTV, vote collecting and full census count

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Response to GusBob (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:53 PM

38. There's no internet? Only Falsebook?

That's really weird.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:08 PM

47. Huh? I indicated there is no local media. Of course there is internet

Its an Native American Reservation. For some reason all the Natives employ the platform for just about every aspect of their society. They are not into twitter or any other platform really

Right now during COVID the local, on-the-ground information, up-to-date information is saving lives. You may find that weird or false?

Why

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Response to GusBob (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:12 PM

48. As somebody who's never touched Falsebook, I didn't realize how far down the rabbit hole it's gone.

I use the Internet in general for information. But your local situation sounds very different from mine.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:28 PM

50. Clearly

Its not about you, me, or the individual, but the whole community. All kinds of vital information is disseminated to just about all tribal members in real time.

Its an awesome tool

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:02 PM

26. I am wondering what my one friend that posts his

every activity is going to do. I know what he does every day even where and what he eats. If he goes to the doctor he posts it, it would be a great source for a home break in.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:39 PM

32. I agree.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:50 PM

34. Yes and Fox News is also gone

So are all the RW sites like Townhall, Breitbart..you name it they're gone!

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:52 PM

36. Are you serious?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:54 PM

39. No I'm not...I wish!

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:55 PM

41. Bummer.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:56 PM

43. If all the RW sites were gone, it would be a Net Positive..

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:56 PM

45. Way better than Net Neutral!

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:51 PM

35. Obviously. There will be withdrawal symptoms for some, such as

sudden clear vision, elevated mood, and dumping of fake "friends". So be it.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:52 PM

37. I just use FB for posting fan art and news regarding the ATLA franchise*

*Avatar: the Last Airbender and Legend of Korra

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:55 PM

42. Is this post serious?

It was down for a few hours. The moral panic at this site over Facebook is ridiculous.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:56 PM

46. I feel like it's the "Parents versus Dungeons and Dragons" hysteria at times.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:56 PM

44. "Most people will have to rely on actual news as opposed to regurgitated conspiracy theories"

You really believe that if Fox News shut down, its viewers would switch to "actual news"? How naive.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:13 PM

49. Maybe a bit naive, but even fox news is a far more credible source of information

Than my Q anon uncle and the filth of disinformation sites spread through facebook. And fox is not a platform subscribed to by close to as many folks as Facebook.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:35 PM

52. We seldom agree... but on this, we do.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:31 PM

51. Oh brother!



Most people will have to rely on actual news as opposed to regurgitated conspiracy theories and manufactured disinformation. They will be forced to call their loved ones and have actually conversations, and maybe even go outside. We are getting a glimpse of a facebook-less world, and it is amazing.
This is a ridiculous and cynical description that does not match reality.

I have "actually" conversations all the time with my loved ones... on Facebook. Just because they're on Facebook doesn't mean that they're not ACTUAL conversations. The FB hatred is so absurd.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:39 PM

54. I would be totally cool if the FB groups

I belong to moved to another venue, and there was another site for families to share photos. I would leave now if not for groups and family.

I do have friends in towns I use to live on posting pics of cool hikes and such enjoy that.

My step daughters friend started a group for cat memes and pics only after covid started and its been nice to have something relaxing to look at.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:43 PM

55. Won't these same people simply find another site feeding them the same input?

 

I haven't seen any real difference with FB being down today.... except for increase in the amount of people asserting a real difference with FB being down today.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:22 PM

56. It's back up. Thank goodness. [[[happy dance]]]

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