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Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:24 PM

The four unreinforced windows and doors that were the first points of entry on Jan. 6 are all in a

A recessed alcove...


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Reply The four unreinforced windows and doors that were the first points of entry on Jan. 6 are all in a (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 4 OP
malaise Oct 4 #1
sakabatou Oct 4 #3
calimary Oct 7 #26
Hekate Oct 4 #2
Irish_Dem Oct 4 #4
doc03 Oct 4 #5
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 4 #6
Ford_Prefect Oct 4 #12
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 4 #18
lagomorph777 Oct 4 #7
FakeNoose Oct 4 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 4 #9
hibbing Oct 4 #14
BigmanPigman Oct 4 #15
FakeNoose Oct 4 #22
bucolic_frolic Oct 4 #10
Slammer Oct 4 #17
bucolic_frolic Oct 4 #20
Slammer Oct 5 #25
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 4 #19
tanyev Oct 4 #11
MustLoveBeagles Oct 4 #13
monkeyman1 Oct 4 #16
WarGamer Oct 4 #21
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 4 #24
SunSeeker Oct 4 #23
ecstatic Oct 7 #27
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 7 #28

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:26 PM

1. Who provided this information to thecoup plotters?

Lock him/her/them up!

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:27 PM

3. That's what I want to know

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:01 AM

26. I do, too.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:26 PM

2. Long-planned & with inside help, it would seem

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Response to Hekate (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:28 PM

4. Yes. No other explanation.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:31 PM

5. I have always wondered about that one doorway they

entered from. It looked like it had a concrete form around it like it was being repired or reinforced.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 03:58 PM

6. I wonder if you can tell just by looking at them

If they're reinforced? Maybe a dumb question sorry. But after reading the article this stood out. They knew. Whether they had been there before and scoped it out. Or whether someone told them...

Video shows some of the first rioters to break through the police line running past 15 reinforced windows, making a beeline for a recessed area on the Senate side of the building, where two unreinforced windows and two doors with unreinforced glass were all that stood between them and hallways leading to lawmakers inside who had not begun to evacuate

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:28 PM

12. No, you can't. Someone who knew about it directed them there or lead them there.

Someone who was not there organized this assault, set the expectations, assigned the targets, transported and built the lynch mob, and scheduled the speakers leading up to TLG, who lit the fuse and set off the explosion of anger and hate.

My gut tells me Bannon had a lot to do with it and he had help.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:48 PM

18. "TFG lit the fuse" is such a perfect way to say it. I've always thought

too that having the dumber harmless trump chumps as cover was actually a very ingenious idea. I think that is the key to him probably getting away with it all. I know it was the key during his impeachment because he could just say he was rallying the crowd up.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:00 PM

7. Inside job.

Get Lauren Booboo, Perjury Traitor Gangreene, and Josh Hawley on the witness stand. Let them sit next to some injured Capitol Police.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:08 PM

8. Here's the original article in the LA Times

(link) https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-10-04/jan-6-rioters-exploited-little-known-capitol-weak-spots-a-handful-of-unreinforced-windows

Jan. 6 rioters exploited little-known Capitol weak spots:
A handful of unreinforced windows


BY SARAH D. WIRESTAFF WRITER
OCT. 4, 2021 2 AM PT

WASHINGTON — Four major access points that Jan. 6 rioters used to break into and overtake the U.S. Capitol had something unusual in common: They were among a dozen or so ground-floor windows and glass-paned doors that had not been recently reinforced. The majority of the Capitol’s 658 single-pane windows were quietly upgraded during a 2017-19 renovation of the historic building. The original wooden frames and glass were covered with a second metal frame containing bomb-resistant glass.

But planners skipped about a dozen ground-floor windows, including some located in doors, because they were deemed to be low risk in the event of implosion, largely due to their discreet or shielded location, or because the building couldn’t structurally handle the load of the heavier frames.

And whether by sheer luck, real-time trial and error, or advance knowledge by rioters, several of those vulnerable windows and two glass-paned doors — protected with only a thin Kevlar film added after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — became easy entry points for hundreds of Trump supporters who overran and ransacked the building on Jan. 6.

Video shows some of the first rioters to break through the police line running past 15 reinforced windows, making a beeline for a recessed area on the Senate side of the building, where two unreinforced windows and two doors with unreinforced glass were all that stood between them and hallways leading to lawmakers inside who had not begun to evacuate.

A rioter’s fist cracked the glass of one window, video posted to social media shows. A stolen police riot shield and a wooden pole finished the job. In seconds, the unreinforced glass gave way in a single sheet. Rioters poured through the window. Similar methods were used to break glass in at least three other locations.

“I couldn’t believe that they were able to breach those points as easily as they did,” said Scott Lilly, a former House Appropriations Committee Democratic staff director. “It certainly shows that all of the money and inconvenience that we’ve instituted on those buildings was not particularly well spent.”


- more at link -
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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:58 PM

9. Thanks FN!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:32 PM

14. Terrifying, thanks for this n/t

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:33 PM

15. "And whether by sheer luck, real-time trial and error, or advance knowledge by rioters"

"And whether by sheer luck, real-time trial and error, or advance knowledge by rioters,....."

I will take "advance knowledge" for $500, Alex.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:24 PM

22. You betcha - insider info there for sure

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:18 PM

10. Just about proves the case for conspiracy and pre-planning

First thing a crook does is scope out his target.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:48 PM

17. planning? Luck?

Yeah and it might not have been all that hard to do.

If the windows and doors were upgraded in 2017-19, some local business likely did the work and everyone on the work crew likely knew which windows and doors had been worked on and which weren't.

And I don't know if people are free to walk around the perimeter of the building on a normal day or not, but anyone who knows a bit about construction can likely tell whether something has been repainted in the last couple of years or whether no one has touched it for a long time.


On the other hand, people who are trying to break into buildings often go to alcoves which are sheltered from sight so the police don't come down like a load of bricks onto them. So there's always an outside chance that the rioters just got lucky by choosing to go someplace which was sheltered from view rather than standing out in the open and hoping the cops were too busy elsewhere to hassle them.

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Response to Slammer (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:54 PM

20. Not at all

Federal contractors are not loose with information. I'd bet there is some non-disclosure clause.

The Capitol does not suffer from discrepancies of age in planned maintenance.

They weren't trying to break in. They were in and knew where to go.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 5, 2021, 02:44 PM

25. sign all the non-disclosure laws you want

but I'd bet some of the rioters worked for federal contractors.

And I know some of the hardcore MAGA crowd work for firms which have federal contracts.


As for planned maintenance, you don't repaint the outside of a building every 2-3 years. If a repainting were planned, it wouldn't be taking place yet.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:50 PM

19. Yep down to throw the noose and gallows in the pickup just in case we need it

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:22 PM

11. That seems like something not a lot of people would know.

Interesting.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:28 PM

13. They got inside information

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 05:39 PM

16. well shit , phones & email,s is going to prove a lot of stuff ? just theory though ?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:00 PM

21. IIRC...

weren't most ALL of the windows and doors surrounded by rioters?

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 11:18 PM

24. In the article, they talk of video that shows that the

extremists among them bypassed all the other windows and went straight for that alcove.

I think it's important, (and IMHO, we blew it not differentiating). The crowd was made up of several different types of people. The militia extremists, the second rung violent supporters and then the thousands of dumbfuck supporters who unknowingly? provided cover.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 07:32 PM

23. Sadly, I believe members of the Capitol Police were helping the insurrectionists.

Capitol Police would know about those windows as they are responsible for securing the building. Congressional representatives would not know about those windows.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:11 AM

27. Pointing to an inside job, but we knew that already

We keep dancing around this topic but it's obvious that TFG and his minions planned this from start to finish. There's a reason why the Capitol police presence was light and the National Guard was MIA for hours. Seriously, one officer protecting the hallway to the Senate chamber? Really?

I think the thugs who came through those windows meant business and would have killed if they had the opportunity.

But the other thugs who came in through the doors ultimately didn't believe tfg enough to go through with the murderous plan.

The "leaders" who helped put this together must be held accountable and sent to prison for life.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:36 AM

28. Oh I totally agree FG and his creeps planned this whole thing

I personally think they didn't tell backup law enforcement to never show up at the Capitol. But I think they told them to be slow about it wink wink.

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