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Bill Kristol tweets a winner... (Original Post) 634-5789 Oct 2021 OP
Looks like Schumer is doing just that. True Blue American Oct 2021 #1
Yes Maine Abu El Banat Oct 2021 #6
Every Reptilian is sworn to destroy the country. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #9
They don't care OrangeJoe Oct 2021 #18
"I am inclined to think a few Republicans care more about their country than evil." LenaBaby61 Oct 2021 #23
"I am inclined to think a few Republicans care more about their country than evil." LenaBaby61 Oct 2021 #29
Manchin and Sinema very likely will not go along. The budget is on the Legislative Calendar, not Celerity Oct 2021 #2
The Precident Has Already Been Breached. Both McConnell and Reid Spell Check again. True Blue American Oct 2021 #8
Those were in the Executive Calendar not the Legislative Calendar of the Senate. Two separate things Celerity Oct 2021 #11
obstructionists Slammer Oct 2021 #17
Republicans need no encouragement or excuse OrangeJoe Oct 2021 #19
+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #20
Yep. They turn their noses up at rules and muscle ahead ANYWAY. calimary Oct 2021 #21
If It's Possible, Do It!!! COL Mustard Oct 2021 #3
Whoever writes Schumer's prepared statements gab13by13 Oct 2021 #4
I don't care if he has free pixie dust that makes orphans get their parents back station agent Oct 2021 #5
Hmmm... PCIntern Oct 2021 #7
Back in the day PNAC/W Bush days he was always smug.. brush Oct 2021 #10
Kristol didn't represent Jewish folk Skittles Oct 2021 #16
You may think that PCIntern Oct 2021 #30
well, of course there are bigots Skittles Oct 2021 #31
+1 leftstreet Oct 2021 #14
Every time I see one of those like him, calimary Oct 2021 #22
I shared. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #12
Exactly right, Bill. Sogo Oct 2021 #13
Yes BlueSky3 Oct 2021 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #24
Bill makes an excellent suggestion. I suggest we seriously consider it. Martin68 Oct 2021 #25
HELLO!!! We need to FIGHT. WTF are the Dems waiting for. We need to attack, & attack & attack... Kittycatkat Oct 2021 #26
Here's the Actual Tweet so we can Rt! Cha Oct 2021 #27
This, please. Thank you, Mr. Schumer. Beartracks Oct 2021 #28

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
1. Looks like Schumer is doing just that.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:15 AM
Oct 2021

If Schumer could get a couple of Republicans to go along with him he could win. I am inclined to think a few Republicans care more about their country than evil, despised McConnell. He is the most worthless piece of humanist to ever be in the Senate, let alone a leader.

There are 7 Republicans retiring. Do they want their last vote to send the Country into bankruptcy?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Every Reptilian is sworn to destroy the country.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:03 AM
Oct 2021

No point fantasizing about getting a few of their votes.

Best we can hope for is a sufficiently large bribe to get the votes of SineManchin.

OrangeJoe

(334 posts)
18. They don't care
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:20 PM
Oct 2021

Wishing and hoping for Republicans to do the right thing or imagining that they care about decency and honor is a fool's errand. They don't care about anything but pleasing their base and stepping into well paid gigs after they retire.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
23. "I am inclined to think a few Republicans care more about their country than evil."
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:14 PM
Oct 2021

I definitely wonder who that could be. McConnell said he'll have NO defections, and that he nor any other GQP'ers will work with Biden. We'll see soon enough.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
29. "I am inclined to think a few Republicans care more about their country than evil."
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:56 AM
Oct 2021

You can take Mittens Robbedme off that list of GQP'ers who care more about country than about this huge debt that they ran up. ALL GQP'ers are evil in some way or another.

It's their debt that ran up the deficit with those massive tax cuts for the rich, but they don't want to ever pay for them. Yet, Dems are always in the position of having to bargain away anything they might want to do which would benefit the whole of the country. I guess something's better than nothing. Not really but I'm sure I'll hear that eventually 😑


Celerity

(43,302 posts)
2. Manchin and Sinema very likely will not go along. The budget is on the Legislative Calendar, not
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 06:53 AM
Oct 2021

the Executive Calendar (unlike like the judicial and executive branch nomination exceptions from the 2 previous mini-nukes).

I have seen many Constitutional lawyers and experts say that the reason Manchin and Sinema are loathe to weaken/do exceptions for the filibuster on the Legislative Calendar is that once that precedent is breached, then it is likely that Schumer can invoke regular business for anything he wants on the Legislative Calendar (which is fucking great, BUT it takes away Manchinemas' excuse/fall-back position that they are NOT necessarily voting against Dem introduced bills, but simply claim they are powerless due to the filibustering of said bills).

Those two obstructionists use the fillister as a crutch, a built-in excuse and shield.

Celerity

(43,302 posts)
11. Those were in the Executive Calendar not the Legislative Calendar of the Senate. Two separate things
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:16 AM
Oct 2021

Re read what I posted to see this.

Slammer

(714 posts)
17. obstructionists
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:05 PM
Oct 2021

Yeah, my first thought was to do it the way Bill suggests but since those two Democrats, and perhaps others, wouldn't go along...there's no advantage to trying it.

And a lot of disadvantage to trying it since it'd encourage the Republicans to do the same thing the next time they're in power.

OrangeJoe

(334 posts)
19. Republicans need no encouragement or excuse
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:24 PM
Oct 2021

They will do what is needed to pass their agenda or block the Democrats. They do not worry at all about anything else. My guess that if they retake the Senate in 2022 McConnell will block any Supreme Court nomination that may come up until they get a Republican President even if it takes a decade.

calimary

(81,210 posts)
21. Yep. They turn their noses up at rules and muscle ahead ANYWAY.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:46 PM
Oct 2021

In the long run, few will care HOW they got it done. All that will matter for now, later, and the history books is THAT they got it done.

I wish OUR team would start being more ruthless and cutthroat. In this poisoned climate, politically as well as ecologically, that’s just about the only way to get ANYTHING done anymore. The opposition sure would.

W. W. R. D.

What Would Republicans Do?

One other little bit of psychology here: the bad guys really wouldn’t be expecting it. They wouldn’t see it coming. All they’ve seen consistently is our behavior pattern of being nice and conciliatory and the whole kumbaya let-me-please-be-your-doormat thing. So if we DON’T, and WE do something calculated and ruthless, they’ll be knocked off their game.

It might even be fun to push like that a second time. They still may assume we just got lucky and are really still a pile of push-overs. But in the meantime, we’ll have gotten something REALLY punchy done and signed into law by President Biden. Something like voter protections. Something that can be cast in bronze and/or that states can’t screw with.

gab13by13

(21,304 posts)
4. Whoever writes Schumer's prepared statements
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:09 AM
Oct 2021

should do it. Schumer has rarely, if ever, spoken off the cuff, everything is written down for him.

station agent

(385 posts)
5. I don't care if he has free pixie dust that makes orphans get their parents back
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:18 AM
Oct 2021

Never reference this piece of trash anywhere. If he has an idea you like, just say hey I heard this idea from somewhere, I forgot where, then say the idea. Or say Al Franken said it. Or the woke redneck guy. Make someone up. Not Bill Kristol. Not ever.

PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
7. Hmmm...
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 07:41 AM
Oct 2021

Apparently, you hate him, detest him, and despise him. In fact him, you don’t like!

And I understand where you’re coming from because I watched him all those years on Brinkley‘s show and others with that smarmy self-confident air which made me physically ill. And to be truthful, what really used to bother me was that he was Jewish, as I am, And the thought of this guy somehow representing my people on TV was overwhelmingly horrifying for reasons which I have yet to understand. Visceral….

brush

(53,764 posts)
10. Back in the day PNAC/W Bush days he was always smug..
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:04 AM
Oct 2021

but often wrong with his talk show offerings so he bears watching with a side eye. Now at least he's a never trumper republican so my take now is the old saying..."the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I'd add..."until proven otherwise."

PCIntern

(25,531 posts)
30. You may think that
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 07:21 AM
Oct 2021

But don’t think for one minute that the anti-Semites didn’t say this with Feith and Perle and several others who also “didn’t represent Judaism”. One right wing guy one said to me many years ago that “not all Jews are bad politically , look at…” and he names a whole bunch of right wing ideologues including those mentioned here.

Skittles

(153,147 posts)
31. well, of course there are bigots
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 05:33 PM
Oct 2021

so yes, any Jewish person behaving in a not-so-stellar fashion will represent Jews with bigots

and anyone who starts a sentence with "not all Jews" is.......likely a bigot.

calimary

(81,210 posts)
22. Every time I see one of those like him,
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 08:58 PM
Oct 2021

I’m only about 2% willing to drop my guard and open my arms.

He’s just seeing the light - now. But he was all in, working to achieve such ends as this, exactly.

Every time I see him or any other sound-nice-now’s who bill themselves as no longer Republican or “independent” or a Democratic convert or “recovering-“ “reformed-“ or whatever the label is now, all I do is growl at the image on TV and snarl “YOU BUILT THIS.”

‘Cuz that’s what happened. Who built this, who conceived and plotted and strategized it in the first place. Who got it off the ground and sent it into overdrive through many wrong-wing and extremist platforms now infesting the internet. AND who’s primarily to blame.

And who now are very busy washing their hands of it all, like some modern-day parade of Pontius Pilate impersonators.

THEY’RE the ones who built this tower of turds.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
13. Exactly right, Bill.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 03:05 PM
Oct 2021

Schumer needs to step up and use his power. McConnell would not hesitate, were he the leader....

Response to 634-5789 (Original post)

Kittycatkat

(1,356 posts)
26. HELLO!!! We need to FIGHT. WTF are the Dems waiting for. We need to attack, & attack & attack...
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:37 PM
Oct 2021

we cannot stop attacking until our democracy is safe and warm again. We have let the Repugs attack us since Nixon. It is our time to fight fire with fire. This is so fu#ked up.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
28. This, please. Thank you, Mr. Schumer.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 12:17 AM
Oct 2021

These are not normal times, and the Republicans are operating outside the norms, traditions, and civility of the process -- so this is NOT the time to implement same ol' same ol' "normal" protocols if you expect to make progress against obstructionists who will not negotiate or cooperate in good faith.

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