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demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:32 AM Oct 2021

Donald Trump Falls Off The Forbes 400 For First Time In 25 Years

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Donald Trump is worth an estimated $2.5 billion, leaving him $400 million short of the cutoff to make this year’s Forbes 400 list of America’s richest people. The real estate mogul is just as wealthy as he was a year ago, when he stood at No. 339 on the ranking, but he is down $600 million since the start of the pandemic. Technology stocks, cryptocurrencies and other assets have thrived in the COVID era. But big-city properties—which make up the bulk of Trump’s fortune—have languished, knocking the former president out of the nation’s most-exclusive club.

If Trump is looking for someone to blame, he can start with himself. Five years ago, he had a golden opportunity to diversify his fortune. Fresh off the 2016 election, federal ethics officials were pushing Trump to divest his real estate assets. That would have allowed him to reinvest the proceeds into broad-based index funds and assume office free of conflicts of interest.

“I could actually run my business and run government at the same time.”
-Donald Trump, January 11, 2017


Others in the executive branch have little choice but to listen to ethics officials. People who hold assets that might conflict with their day jobs in government run the risk of violating the criminal conflicts-of-interest law. The president, however, is exempt from that statute, as Trump proudly noted during a press conference nine days before entering the White House. “I could actually run my business and run government at the same time,” he told a crowd of reporters assembled in Trump Tower. “I don’t like the way that looks, but I would be able to do that if I wanted to. I would be the only one that would be able to do that.”

Trump decided to hang onto his assets. At the time, they were worth an estimated $3.5 billion, after subtracting debt. If he had instead chosen to sell off everything off, there is a chance that he would have had to pay significant capital-gains taxes. Trump acquired his five most-valuable holdings long ago, so he likely has huge untaxed gains locked in each of them. If he paid the maximum possible capital gains tax—23.8% to the federal government, plus 8.8% to the New York State authorities on every penny he owned—that would have shaved about $1.1 billion off his fortune, leaving him with $2.4 billion on the first day of his presidency. But what would have appeared to be a huge sacrifice at first could have turned into a lucrative realignment. By plowing that $2.4 billion in an index fund tracking the S&P 500, for example, Trump’s fortune would have ballooned to $4.5 billion by now, leaving him 80% richer than he is today. His refusal to divest, in other words, cost him $2 billion.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/10/05/donald-trump-falls-off-the-forbes-400-for-first-time-in-25-years/


This is the kind of stuff that hits him where it hurts!


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Siwsan

(26,250 posts)
12. He never wanted the job, He wanted the title and the expanded grifting opportunities
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:15 AM
Oct 2021

I can't wait to see his photo captioned: "How far the 'mighty' have fallen."

OLDMDDEM

(1,569 posts)
2. Interesting
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:43 AM
Oct 2021

Since no one really knows his true net worth, at least, no one has come out and looked and appraised each of his properties until now, he may be a bigger loser than Forbes shows. I hope his properties are all attached by the state and city of New York for back taxes and penalties.

Johnny2X2X

(18,970 posts)
4. Trump is never going to go broke
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 09:46 AM
Oct 2021

People like him hide assets. And he's certainly made deals during his presidency that are paying off now.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
5. Back in the 90s when he was bankrupt he used to call
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:00 AM
Oct 2021

Up Forbes and demand to be put on the list. Many of the truly wealthy have no interest in being on it.

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
7. Flashback (Forbes article): Trump, With Michael Cohen By His Side, Has History Of Lying About His Fo
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 10:28 AM
Oct 2021
Trump, With Michael Cohen By His Side, Has History Of Lying About His Fortune

For more than 30 years, Donald Trump lobbied Forbes for a higher ranking on our annual list of America’s richest people. But the president wasn’t the only person involved in the behind-the-scenes jostling. So, too, was former lawyer Michael Cohen, who is expected to deliver devastating testimony about his former boss on Wednesday.

Among the many subjects: How Donald Trump has manipulated estimates of his net worth over the years. “It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in Forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes,” Cohen plans to say, according to an early copy of his written testimony released by Politico.

It’s a topic Cohen should know well, having had a front-row seat for part of Trump’s long-running crusade to appear richer than he is. In 2012, Cohen, Trump, longtime CFO Allen Weisselberg and one other company executive met with a Forbes reporter to haggle over the estimates, according to notes taken at the time. In 2015, just a couple of months after Trump launched his campaign, Cohen was one of several Trump subordinates who spoke with Forbes about the numbers.

Of course, the Forbes-Trump saga goes back farther than that. “Inquire about Donald Trump in New York real estate circles,” begins the magazine’s first full profile on the developer, published in February 1983, “and you’re sorry you asked: You’ll get an earful about how Trump, at 36 certainly New York’s most visible property tycoon, is a creation of his own hype.”

Trump and his father, Fred, a major builder in Brooklyn and Queens, appeared on the original Forbes 400 in 1982, with a combined fortune of $200 million. The future president protested that was not nearly enough: “Donald claims $500 million.”

Before long, Trump began pushing to be listed on his own—without his father, who remained active in the family business. In 1984, he called former Forbes reporter Jonathan Greenberg, pretending to be a Trump Organization employee named John Barron. “Let me just tell you what the deal is, just so you understand,” Trump began, sounding perfectly comfortable faking his identity. “Most of the assets have been consolidated to [Donald] Trump, you know, because you have down Fred Trump.”

So Forbes removed Fred Trump from the rankings and began counting his son on his own. Donald Trump stayed on the list until 1990, when an avalanche of debt came crashing down on him. Confident that his net worth was down to $500 million, at best, Forbes dropped him from the rankings. True to form, Trump insisted he was worth “four or five billion dollars” and publicly berated Forbes for undervaluing his fortune in an essay for the Los Angeles Times Syndicate, titled “Forbes Carried Out Personal Vendetta In Print.” He quietly offered a more honest self-assessment in a nonpublic document filed with the New Jersey Casino Control Commission, admitting his fortune totaled about $3.6 billion in assets and $3.4 billion in debt — meaning his net worth was just $200 million.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/02/27/trump-with-michael-cohen-by-his-side-has-history-of-lying-about-his-fortune/

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
13. "Worth" has a different meaning to most humans.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:51 AM
Oct 2021

For humanity, tRump and thousands like him have negative worth and they're an albatross around our necks.

Let's remind ourselves regularly that the market's idea of worth is ultimately derived off the backs of hundreds of millions of everyday working folks.


We live in a trickle-up world, otherwise known as feudalism...... .......

Wolf Frankula

(3,598 posts)
17. I have long thought that he is nowhere as rich as he says he is.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:08 PM
Oct 2021

He can't get an American bank to lend him money. My short guess is, when you count the financial obligations, he has a negative net worth.

Wolf

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
18. I own a 43 year old mobile home in a senior park.
Tue Oct 5, 2021, 11:13 PM
Oct 2021

I am sure my net worth is more than Donald Trump's.

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