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splunge63

(102 posts)
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:07 PM Oct 2021

Cal Cunningham

As much as I loathe Sinema, Cunningham should bear an equal level of frustration with the status quo. What a clusterfuck!

Manchin, being from deep red WV, is in a different category. Believe me, I get the frustration there. But no Manchin, Turtle's in charge, nothing gets done.

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Cal Cunningham (Original Post) splunge63 Oct 2021 OP
Or Claire mccaskle should have won her seat again. jimfields33 Oct 2021 #1
In 2018 Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #3
Ffs. She was far from Manchin & Sinema. Budi Oct 2021 #9
What am I missing? Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #13
The whole picture rather than an opinion of a targeted Dem. Budi Oct 2021 #16
Do you have any facts or examples to back up your claim? LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #23
This is about cal Cunningham jimfields33 Oct 2021 #14
Responding to Post#3 dragging McCaskill into this Cunningham OP. Budi Oct 2021 #17
But..but..Hawley was imaged up as the new fresh face of future R gens!! Budi Oct 2021 #5
It was a miracle she won in 2012, she was DOA in 2018 dsc Oct 2021 #6
The sad thing is Democrats in her state went after McCaskle...and of course now they have a GOP Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #8
She is absolutely correct. She knows her State. Budi Oct 2021 #12
Yes Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #2
he let us down nt XanaDUer2 Oct 2021 #7
when i mention this could cause an issue catsudon Oct 2021 #22
The evidence suggests, strongly, that he would have lost regardless dsc Oct 2021 #4
Probably true, but then it's hard to know how much he turned voters OnDoutside Oct 2021 #11
It wasn't just "texting." LisaL Oct 2021 #18
And the Maine misadventure..... OnDoutside Oct 2021 #10
There are multiple people who refused to run in 2020 (and for one, in 2018 as well) who would have Celerity Oct 2021 #15
I don't think we would have one NC even with Jackson dsc Oct 2021 #19
Cunningham, who was a meh candidate and uninspiring campaigner, was leading by a decent Celerity Oct 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Oct 2021 #21

Mad_Machine76

(24,403 posts)
3. In 2018
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:13 PM
Oct 2021

But she was another frustrating Democrat like Manchin and Sinema. She sort of dug her own grave with bucking the Democratic Party + Missouri has become a Republican captive state + She really got lucky with Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin as an opponent in 2012

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
9. Ffs. She was far from Manchin & Sinema.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:21 PM
Oct 2021

Do not paint that image of Claire McCaskill's long successful career as a Democrat by citing a couple of issues that aren't fully explained.

You cannot know too much about McCaskill to shove her down in that Manchin, Sinema category.
Stop it till you do some reasearch on her long career & voting record as a Senator.

This pisses me off.

Mad_Machine76

(24,403 posts)
13. What am I missing?
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:40 PM
Oct 2021

I will gladly concede if there is an angle that I'm overlooking. I guess that she wasn't *as bad* as SineManchin in that she didn't pull some of these same shenanigans but the way she talked about other Democrats wasn't always great/helpful.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. The whole picture rather than an opinion of a targeted Dem.
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:37 PM
Oct 2021

Don't ever generalize McCaskill in the same categori as those 2 especially based on an opinion with no background nor specifics.

Her situation you refer to had it's own variables. There's a lot of distance between that situation & this one today.

Wtf ever.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,107 posts)
23. Do you have any facts or examples to back up your claim?
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 10:54 PM
Oct 2021

Do you have any evidence or examples to support your claim? What exactly did Claire do to justify the comparison to Manchin or Sinema? What exactly are you complaining about? She won an amazing race in 2012 when it was clear that Missouri was a red state and she supported the party so far as I know.

Again, vague charges not supported by facts or examples are hard to deal with

I am in deep red Texas and Beto was a far superior person and candidate compared to Carnival Cruz but he lost because the demographic trends that will eventually turn Texas red had not been realized. Manchin's victory in West Virginia was an amazing victory given the demographics of that state.

Again, examples or facts would help your argument

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. But..but..Hawley was imaged up as the new fresh face of future R gens!!
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:15 PM
Oct 2021
Up & coming even!
Give him a chance, he's young, he's still learning!, the RW image makers cried.

They sold a bullshit liar & people bought it.

🙄

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
8. The sad thing is Democrats in her state went after McCaskle...and of course now they have a GOP
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:17 PM
Oct 2021

jerk who votes for nothing.

"In an interview with Morning Edition host Rachel Martin, McCaskill characterized her loss as a "failure" of the Democratic Party "to gain enough trust with rural Americans," and she predicted her party will struggle to win other seats as long as President Trump remains in office.

"This demand for purity, this looking down your nose at people who want to compromise, is a recipe for disaster for the Democrats," she said Thursday in her Capitol Hill office. "Will we ever get to a majority in the Senate again, much less to 60, if we do not have some moderates in our party?"


https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/671988738/mccaskill-blames-senate-defeat-on-democratic-failure-with-rural-americathe Senate again, much less to 60, if we do not have some mode"rates in our party?"

Mad_Machine76

(24,403 posts)
2. Yes
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:11 PM
Oct 2021

He sunk our narrow chances in North Carolina because of his shenanigans and cost us a win that has forced us to depend on two undependables. Hopefully, he knows better than to show his face around the party again.

catsudon

(839 posts)
22. when i mention this could cause an issue
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 04:40 PM
Oct 2021

some people here thought i was being too dramatic....

well, since i was not a resident there. i defer to their judgement that cal had this in the bag.....

dsc

(52,155 posts)
4. The evidence suggests, strongly, that he would have lost regardless
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:13 PM
Oct 2021

There were a number of statewide elections in NC in 2020. Our entire council of state was up, 3 supreme court seats, and 3 appelate court seats, plus president and senate. Of the 11 members of the council of state we won 4 (Gov, Sec of State, AG, and Auditor). Our governor is the only one who won by more than 2 and he was helped by his handling of COVID and the fact he ran against a COVID denier. Our AG is a man with a strong brand and he barely won. Our sec of state has been that for decades and she won by like 2. Our auditor another long term incumbent with a strong brand. We lost everything else. All 6 judgeships, and both senate and president. All but Beasley lost by more than 2 percent. Most lost by around 5, Cunningham outperformed Biden in terms of margin. In short, even without the texting he would have lost. It just was a bad year for us.

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
11. Probably true, but then it's hard to know how much he turned voters
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 01:24 PM
Oct 2021

off at the make your mind up stage.

I wonder what he's doing now ?

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
15. There are multiple people who refused to run in 2020 (and for one, in 2018 as well) who would have
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 02:32 PM
Oct 2021

prevented this. I have been posting on it all throughout the 2019/2020 primary season.

We were so poor at recruiting the best candidates.

Tennessee - Tim McGraw has now TWICE turned down open seats, after promising he would likely run for Senate once he was 50 years old. 2018 was especially frustrating, as not only was it an open seats, but the Rethugs nominated a weak, insane, stupid nutter in Marsha Blackburn, AND McGraw would have had the huge Blue Wave at his back. Then, in 2020, he refused to run for another open seat.

North Carolina - Jeff Jackson would have beaten Tillis. Cunningham likely would have too if the jackass had not went all creepy sexting, but Jackson (who at least is running in 2022) was the superior candidate. A case could also be made for Stein and Foxx as well being better candidates than Cal.

Maine - Stephen King would have beaten Collins. He is a native Mainer (so important in that state) and ultra popular. Gideon is not a native Mainer and Collins pounded her with this. Susan Rice is not a native, so would have had that issue, but was also a superior candidate to Gideon. King's turndown was such a disappointment.

Kansas -Kathleen Sebelius was not only the only Dem who could have won, but she would have been the favourite (the consensus of all major local state media and experts). It was an open seat too, and Marshall was far from strong.

Iowa - Tom Vilsack would have a far better chance to win than Greenfield, the same likely for Axne, but both refused to run against the pig castrator MAGAt Ernst.

Alaska - We did not even run a candidate, and I was very unhappy that a previous, proven winner (he was a Senator from Alaska before) Mark Begich, refused to run.


Finally, there were hundreds of millions of dollars shit away on fantasyland races in SC, KY, and TX (plus ME to a degree, mainly because they did not shift their excess cash to states in need late in the game).

Those 4 campaigns never came close to spending all the monies they received, and yet two races, IA, and especially Bullock in MT, were cash-starved and could not respond effectively to one hundred million plus, in late-in-the-game dark RW money that buried Greenfield and especially Bullock, who was leading until the giant negative advert blitz at the end permanently turned the tide.

We were never going to beat Cornyn (he is no Cruz, and there was no 2018 Blue Wave), not even Beto would have prevailed. McTurtle was always going to win plus we had a poor candidate who kicked off her campaign by saying she would have voted to approve drunk-rapey Kavanaugh, arfff.

And then there is South Carolina. In SC, there was one external poll, an outlier poll (internal polls are often spin-up jobs), weeks and weeks out from the election, that showed Harrison in a virtual tie with Graham. Harrison ran with that poll the rest of the election (U saw like 50-100 adverts on my American streams whilst watching MSNBC/CNN), even though it reverted to him trailing more and more. So so much money poured in, far more than they could spend, all in vain.

IA and MT so so needed the extra cash from those 4 campaigns to counter the late, dark money, RW media blitz, and were not helped enough, as people gave their cash with their hearts, not their heads, for wish-fulfilment emotionally driven races. Also, again, the national orgs did a poor job redistributing the excess.


Bullock was the ONLY 'best possible Dem candidate' who lost in 2020 for the Senate. All the others won their races. Poor recruitment sunk us.

Really fuming still over TN (twice), KS. ME, and NC (NC also because of Cunningham's fucking stupid choice to engage in moronic behaviour and blow his lead)

dsc

(52,155 posts)
19. I don't think we would have one NC even with Jackson
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 03:37 PM
Oct 2021

who was the better candidate. It was a GOP year in NC sadly. We lost all but 4 state wide races with our four wins being incumbents that had strong brands and mostly very weak opponents. Only one, Cooper won by more than 2 and he came in under polling just like everyone else (he was up by 10). We got swamped by hidden Trump voters down east and out west. I don't think Jackson's abilities, nor Tillis' inabilities as a candidate would have overcome that generic 4 point win that most races had here. But, I will agree that Cunningham was a very poor candidate I just don't think it mattered. I agree with you on Stephen King.

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
20. Cunningham, who was a meh candidate and uninspiring campaigner, was leading by a decent
Wed Oct 6, 2021, 04:00 PM
Oct 2021

margin up until his scandal. I think Jackson would have won by 3-5 per cent or so. Just my instinct. I follow the Senate a lot and that list is based off 2 plus years of tracking. Not at claiming you are wrong at all btw. I am just going with my gut, analytical skills, extensive reading (often from NC political insiders), and and talking to many North Carolinians on here.

End of day, we can never truly know. But Cunningham can go piss off. Idiot. I do have a personal connection to the state, as one of my closest cousins (she grew up in London with me) went to UNC Chapel Hill for her undergraduate degree. She was in the US on holiday with her BF and he dragged her to see the UNC basketball arena (he is a Jordan fanboi) and a prof there talked to them when they were walking, and he implanted the idea to go there in my cousin's head. He said the school needed more Brits, lolol. It obviously worked!

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