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The worlds largest retirement community runs on young people. Are they welcome next door?Through her high school years, Brandy Brown watched as the undulating farmlands surrounding her hometown of Coleman were eaten up by golf courses and khaki-colored homes. When she moved back after college, it seemed like all of her friends were working for the retirement community next door.
Soon, she, too, was employed in The Villages, the adult community in central Florida so large it spans three counties and has its own census designation.
The problem is, it isnt really next door.
Brown, 38, is a nurse and her husband is a contractor in the community. They drive for roughly an hour to get to work each day, she said.
In order to live close to your job, you would have to live in The Villages, said Brown.
https://www.tampabay.com/life-culture/2021/10/08/why-are-young-people-moving-to-the-villages/
d_r
(6,907 posts)my mother in law lives in Clermont. Everytime I drive down the toll road to 27 I pass villages signs and think what a nightmare this must be.
NewHendoLib
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PatSeg
(47,419 posts)There was "Cute as a Bug", which is really an odd compliment, as odd as "Cute as a Bug in a Rug". Hard to imagine how these sayings started.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)eom
NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)don't you have something better to do?
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Celerity
(43,346 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/04/trump-florida-seniors-retirement-voters
It promotes itself as Floridas friendliest hometown, a retirement playground where seniors while away their golden years in a carefree world of golf, swimming, fine dining, drinking, and nightly line dances in the village square. But one reckless and controversial retweet from Donald Trump, featuring some ugly racism from a resident in a golf cart, and The Villages carefully crafted image as a peaceful utopia for retirees began to dissipate. As elderly white voters, one of Trumps key voting blocs in 2016, show signs of abandoning the erratic president, some are even wondering if the door has been opened for Democrats here, an area that until now has been unashamedly Trump country. Hes definitely turning off some of the older voters in The Villages, said Chris Stanley, president of the Democratic Club in the 32-square mile retirement community of 125,000, and a resident herself for almost six years. Theyre concerned about his plans for Medicare and social security of course, but they also didnt allow their children to behave like this, they dont allow their grandchildren to behave like this, and theyre very much turned off by it. This is the generation that watched Walter Cronkite, had John F Kennedy, and Eisenhower, when politics was a whole different animal. When even if your party or your chosen candidate didnt win, you were never afraid of damage done to your family or your country. And now? Whoever thought wed see something like it is right now?
The resident captured on the video yelling White power! White power! at a demonstrator was taking part in a parade of golf carts, the preferred mode of transport in The Villages, organised by Villagers for Trump, a rightwing group of residents that claims a membership of 2,000. Although the group has distanced itself from the comment and asserted the person is not a member, there are other allegations of the presidents more fervent supporters behaving badly. Golf carts bearing signs for the Democratic party or Joe Biden, Trumps presumptive opponent in November, have been vandalised, Stanley says. Pre-pandemic gatherings of Democrats were assailed by residents hurling insults; pro-Democratic golf cart rallies have received social media threats of participants being pelted with rotten tomatoes or roofing nails left on trailways. And there are also tales of villagers leaving bags of dog excrement in the carts of those with differing political views. Its very hostile, Stanley says. Even on Facebook, youre a libtard, youre a demon-rat. Its a constant barrage of hate. Stanley, who has helped to marshal teams of Democratic volunteers for phone banking and mailing campaign flyers while the coronavirus pandemic prevents traditional door-to-door stumping, is under no illusions about the challenge in November.
Trump carried the three conservative Florida counties that incorporate The Villages Lake, Sumter and Marion by more than 115,000 votes in 2016. Registered Republicans outnumber Democrats by a margin of more than two to one. Yet Stanley also believes that Trumps agenda of marginalising minorities has disenchanted plenty of voters in The Villages, where 98.3% of residents are white and 80% are older than 65, according to US census figures. Many are grandparents who have multiracial grandchildren, gay grandchildren, Stanley said. These are people in their 70s and 80s who lived through a difficult time in American history, desegregation of schools, the civil rights era and are now seeing the reverse steps. That concerns them more than the threat to Medicare and social security. Her evidence? Increasing numbers of residents she says are calling to offer help and support: fence-sitters here, there and everywhere; people who voted Trump in 2016 for whatever reason; people turned off by the vitriol he spews all day long. Dee Melvin, an air force veteran who moved to The Villages in 2014 with her husband, has also witnessed a darkening of the political skies since Trumps election. Politically, its no longer Americas friendliest hometown. It gets tougher every day, she said. When we moved here I honestly didnt realise there was strife going on politically. Even in 2016 it wasnt unbearable, but this cycle, since 2016, it gets worse and worse.
The atmosphere of hostility, she said, was the reason she decided to run for a seat in Floridas house of representatives to represent The Villages, though she faces an uphill battle in November against Republican incumbent Brett Hage, elected in 2018 with 69.5% of the vote. Ive never been politically involved. I dont always agree with Republicans, but honestly this is the first time ever that Ive felt like someone is trying to tear our country apart and doing it on purpose, she said. I have Republican friends I know will vote for me. I have friends who were Republican and are now no-party-affiliated. Theres a difference between a true Republican and a Trump supporter. Theyre two completely different people. Republican supporters, meanwhile, dont see the kind of backlash against Trump that others are predicting, even though they acknowledge the white power video was embarrassing. Yes, hes very popular down here, and I think hell run well for a variety of reasons, said John Calandro, a former chair of the Sumter county Republican party. He likes us, hes been here, its good, solid conservative country. We will turn out on a per capita basis probably the highest percentage of voters in any county in the state. These are people who know what they believe and express what they believe through the way they vote. As for the video, Calandro believes some people are trying to make more of it than it really is.
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NewHendoLib
(60,014 posts)Freethinker65
(10,017 posts)Oh, and did we forget to mention, 95% white!
Hard pass.
3Hotdogs
(12,375 posts)Can I get in?
snowybirdie
(5,226 posts)As new early retirees, we moved to the Villages! Free golf for life they said. Hubby just turned 55. Oh boy. A nightmare where the regular residents looked down on us because of our age, the ancient pool ladies screamed at our little grand kids and the golf players made hubby pull up the flags and generally do the bidding of the old guys on the course. Hated the place, we were gone in six months. I distinctly remember driving out of the place in my loaded up red truck, windows down, radio blasting the Rolling Stones! Freedom!
jmbar2
(4,878 posts)Management ran it like the asylum on "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest". Mgr "Ratched" instigated feuds between the residents, coddled the meanspirited, and evicted those who challenged her power. There are few other affordable places to go, so this instilled terror in the rest of the inmates.
The inmates themselves were a mixed bag of nutters, Xtian rightwingers, and a handful of old hippies.
We joked that could tell who had dropped acid in their youth, and those who had not. I bailed out as fast as I could.
We need our own "Villages" for those who are "enlightened".
snowybirdie
(5,226 posts)20 years, still driving my truck while listening to the Stones! Great idea!
ARPad95
(1,671 posts)place:
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Thanks for sharing.
Mary in S. Carolina
(1,364 posts)Young people (those under 55) can not live in the villages unless they are married to someone 55+. And yes, what a nightmare.
SYFROYH
(34,169 posts)Phoenix61
(17,003 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Raven
(13,890 posts)keep me alert, informed and very entertained. I can't imagine living around a bunch of old people like me.
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)Than to live in such a structured environment with all of the politics and chickenshit. For those of you who do not know the precise definition of chickenshit, I give you Paul Fussell ...
According to Paul Fussell in his book Wartime, chickenshit in this sense has military roots: "Chickenshit refers to behavior that makes military life worse than it need be: petty harassment of the weak by the strong; open scrimmage for power and authority and prestige; sadism thinly disguised as necessary discipline; a constant 'paying off of old scores'; and insistence on the letter rather than the spirit of the ordinances ... Chickenshit is so calledinstead of horseor bullor elephant shitbecause it is small-minded and ignoble and takes the trivial seriously."
My ancient half-sister an her butthead husband live there and love it...
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)They would go on and on about when they retire, they are moving to The Villages.
I know two that actually did, and another that still plans to, even though she is nearly 80.
One of the guys that went came back. His complaint? Too many black people in Florida.
kairos12
(12,859 posts)Or Village Idiots.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)supersized, modest middle class suburb does include class resentment and envy, silly as that might sound at first bite. And ignorance of course since most have never been there, and it seems to be rather determinedly regarded as a nest of 80,000 elderly conservative snakes within a state of conservative snakes (forget the 46% who voted Democrats).
Just guesses, of course, but maybe reasons behind the horror that all the OPs mentioning the hellhole of The Villages elicit should be wondered about.
Class resentment? There's a lot of it expressed pretty readily by some on DU, which is why it comes to mind. Is it that retired workers aren't working class any more? Or is it that hoards of "proles" living in pretty little retirement homes, on Social Security Medicare, contradict the class struggle narrative? Or envy that they're cruising around a giant park on golf carts, lunching with friends and practicing their a capellas while deserving people have to work just to survive?
Really, why IS this one retired-worker community so reviled -- instead of one of the many far expensive retirement communities in FL alone? Any one of which likely has even more conservatives? Is it a surrogate target for the ordinary retirement subdivisions full of old people everywhere?
Of course, TVers are old. Ageist bigotry must play a part. How dare they show up in articles and have sex lives, instead of being invisible and moving to FL to die -- and actually dying?
Mind control for 80,000 Stepford retirees? Can we put that one away? Of course not. Seeing Floridia as taken over by trumpist pod people is a huge part of being able to despise the entire state en bloc.
After childhood, post-retirement is the happiest age cohort. Reasons should be obvious, but are they too obvious in this place where so many people have gathered and a lot of them must be enjoying life? How dare they "move to Florida to die" and...instead have fun?
My husband and I have an advantage of having friends there and seeing it for what it is: 80,000 grandmas and grandpas living in a very oversized, middle-class retirement subdivision with some very nice amenities. We've never purchased in any subdivision, but all subdivisions are variations on a theme that over 100M Americans chose for themselves, or aspire to. But this one is a nice place to visit friends for dinner and a free concert now and then.
"There," btw, is otherwise pretty much in the middle of nowhere, very cheap land away from both coasts and expensive cities, the commute the single big reason younger people who work out there are moving out there.
shrike3
(3,583 posts)Also, some old guy yelling "white power" during a Trump golf cart parade is not the best look, if you know what I mean.
I've lived in Florida, and there's something about retirement that brings out the worst in some people. Then again, I've seen the same behavior here, where I live now. It probably crops up everywhere. Not all retirees succumb to it, but a few do. They get miserable toward their fellow man. Again, I see it where I live, too. The town wanted to put in a new sidewalk in one subdivision so the kids could walk to school. Elementary school age. Fifth grade and under. Older folks in the sub raised holy hell, because they didn't want kids walking by their homes. Just walking. I don't know. Maybe it's a fact of aging for some people. Having so many in one place -- The Villages -- maybe puts it front row and center.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sounds like that subdivision was controlled by the same kind of conservatives who 40 years ago loudly opposed making street crossings wheelchair accessible.
Fwiw, I suspect a lot of those really allergic to change and
differences don't make the giant move to Florida. They stay home and make their families and neighbors miserable. Wonder how many move to get away from them? Seriously.
Being so white is nothing to brag about, for sure, but I think most of the people excoriating TVers for this should take a look around and become more insightful.
TV was built to sell to people coming south from cold, white, northern states. Of course the market was almost all white.
An awful thing that comes to mind to say about TV is that probably most of those who dreamed of golfing and playing cards all year in a culturally homogenous community never gave a thought to moving to a city apartment for the diversity, not even enough to reject it. Overall, there probably is a higher than average premium on conformity.
But what's really so different about them, the large majority who aren't motivated by malevolence? It may not be wonderful, but it's sure extremely normal.
Young people of different races but similar income and ages fill the trendy condos built for them downtown. The mass AA migration to black communities in the south is because they're black. Development sell every day to the demographic they were built to appeal to, "15 minutes to work!"
When Bernie Sanders' NE generation (which was mine) decided to reject their parents' lives and go back to the land, it wasn't to the good and inexpensive land in the diverse states to the south and west, but to poor, rocky land with very short growing seasons in even whiter NE states.
And though I know our friends would prefer more diversity, life isn't all tennis and ceramics class, the "diversity" for the most part aren't interested. They have other choices.
shrike3
(3,583 posts)They also don't want playgrounds anywhere near their subdivision because it "might" bring kids to the area. It amazes me how many "grandmas and grandpas" don't like kids. Even seem to hate them.
My husband visited the Villages once, was playing ball with his grand-nephew in the backyard, when the ball went over the fence. The woman there screamed and carried on, said she was going to call the police. All because a ball landed in her yard. They're everywhere. Like every other category of jerk, they spoil things for the rest of us.
Florida wasn't for me, but the unique ecosystems I did love. Made me sad how much development was tearing it up.
btw, Charles Blow's latest book, I believe, is about AAs moving back to the south. I think he's in Atlanta now.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'll pass on shopping cart geographic anecdotes.
I haven't read Blow's book, but we took the NYT for years and I'm sort of familiar with hm. Since we live in the south, his observations about this region are of particular interest to to us too. I remember his, I think it was him, pointing out that if the great migration north hadn't happened, AA might mostly control the politics of the south now. (Imagine, the modern GOP without the southern states.) After 50 years of accelerating return, though, hard-core Southern racists have reason to be frightened. Not that they'll be "replaced" as they bleat, but that they'll be outcompeted at the polls and in jobs and housing markets. Not cancel culture (that'll have to wait for death), but definitely some much needed power shift.
I also remember that almost all of the cities where AA have been prospering economically and become important forces in the cities' cultures are in the south. These big trends are, of course, strongly related.
Orlando in FL, closest to TV, is similar. The black home ownership rate's quite decent there also. So who knows, if more decide on retirement that TV and its amenities are close enough to their kids in the city, lack of interest might well change.
shrike3
(3,583 posts)He was encouraging a return to the south. Re African-Americans. Best way they can influence the future, IHO.
I have an acquaintance who moved to California, and she's mentioned a few supermarket adventures. Rude people everywhere.
Not only in this country. Husband and I had a layover in Amsterdam and were astonished how rude everybody was (at the airport.)
When I was young, I went to the opera in Vienna. I was warned, "The Viennese push and shove." I was prepared.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by this mean era. Not the effusive displays at church and among friends, but more generally. It was real and charmed us when we first moved here, and it'd be a shame.
The blank faces and averted eyes now are no substitute. Of course the population explosion and cell phones (people don't need help from strangers) probably meant some of it was inevitable.
Anyway, I doubt I'll ever meet anyone new in future without some part of me wondering how he or she behaved in this era. Like the "who'd be a Nazi" speculations during WWII.
Oh, well. Chicken curry for dinner.