Progressives may hate it, but Manchin just saved the financial health of every American and showed

[TexasTowelie]

Progressives may hate it, but Manchin just saved the financial health of every American and showed Democrats how to beat McConnell


There is not a lot of love lost for Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia among progressive Democrats.

They trash him every day on social media. They try to organize primary challenges against him. They get in their kayaks and paddle to his houseboat in the Potomac River to yell at him.

Unlike every other Democrat in the Senate Democratic caucus, he and Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona have blocked much of the bold agenda that progressives have long salivated for and that even President Biden himself has proposed.

But on Thursday night, as Republicans balked and gave Democrats 10 votes to break a filibuster to raise the nation’s debt ceiling until early December, there is a reality that instantly became obvious.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer wasn’t the person who made Republican Leader Mitch McConnell cave. President Biden, who has argued he has a long-running personal relationship with McConnell, also didn’t move him. The person who broke McConnell was Manchin. Now Democrats, who shun him every day, must come to terms with that.

Read more: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/08/nation/progressives-may-hate-it-manchin-just-saved-financial-health-every-american-showed-democrats-how-beat-mcconnell/

[PortTack]

1. Oh BS! Turtle got his marching orders from corporate..manchin had nothing to do with it

[Celerity]

8. McTurtle played a purely political game, he gave up nothing, and took the Rethugs out of the line of

fire, thus allowing Biden to continue to get (wrongly of course) roasted by the scurrilous MSM for a multitude of things.

[True Blue American]

21. 100%

[OldBaldy1701E]

24. Exactly! (n/t)

[GoodRaisin]

39. Excellent.

Corporate will feel the same way in December. No need to listen to M$M ruminate over it every hour for the next couple months.

[billh58]

2. So basically, Manchin

is a bi-partisan liar, while remaining a DINO.

[a kennedy]

34. Oh, and did everyone here just say out loud or quietly......FAWK HIM. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[MFM008]

3. Manchin

Is a corporate entity.
Whole owned by coal.

[flying_wahini]

4. Manchin and McConnell are cut from the same cloth.

[Celerity]

5. Joe Manchin told @SenSchumer his speech on the floor after the debt limit was "fucking stupid."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215933627

[BlueLucy]

6. Gag me with rock!

[Celerity]

9. lol, that made me spit my wine!!!

[qazplm135]

7. if my eyes rolled any harder

they'd escape Earth's gravity.

[Celerity]

10. thread winner

[2naSalit]

20. DUzy!!

[CentralMass]

11. Acting as Proxy for the GOP is not commendable .

in the end we are going to end down with a very watered down infrastructure bill. A win for the monied interest and the other party. And we will convince ourselves all is well.
They govern with or without the presidency and the majority.

[empedocles]

12. From the Boston Globe article. Time may tell.

. . . ''Structurally, Republicans benefit the most from the filibuster. This is because Republicans can win a majority of the Senate without having anything near the majority of the American population.

Ending the filibuster would be the biggest tactical loss for Republicans in at least a generation. Within hours of the news that Manchin was into dumping the filibuster to raise the debt ceiling, and that Sinema agreed with this position, the pair of Democratic Senators found themselves meeting with the Republican leader, of all people.

Suddenly, McConnell looked for a way out. He caved out of nowhere. He agreed to provide the 10 votes necessary to delay the nation from going into default until Dec. 3.

Manchin then helped McConnell save face by saying, gosh, no he would never actually end the filibuster, since the question was no longer imminent.

In the end, McConnell kept his word as 11 Republicans voted to stop debate on the issue, clearing the way to suspend the debt limit on Thursday night.

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McConnell does get something for this move. He basically ensures that Democrats will continue to strategize over this issue for the next month instead of talking about passing something else.

But the playbook Manchin just pulled, to seriously threaten the filibuster, is something that Democrats can use again and again on any bill. As long as Manchin agrees.''

[Budi]

16. K & R

However he did it, it got the deal done.

[question everything]

31. +1

[acantharchus]

13. I call BS!!! n/t

[bucolic_frolic]

14. This country pays 50 GOP Senators who can't or won't vote and think for themselves

[Sherman A1]

15. Horse Hockey

Just Horse Hockey.

[mcar]

17. Kick

[TheRealNorth]

18. The premise of the article is stupid....

If they really wanted to get Moscow Mitch to back down, they would have gotten a long-term debt limit extension, not just 2 months. We are going to be in the same situation 2 months from now, with more bad press for Democrats.

So, the Turtle still wins because he will get to grandstand in front of the press again in a couple of months.

[jcgoldie]

28. And Joe coal Manchin gets to be the power broker again in two months

And again and again and again. Is he protecting the financial health of every America also by stonewalling Biden's agenda and driving down his approval rating? Or is that just a side benefit?

[budkin]

19. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[hlthe2b]

22. That is claptrap...

[George II]

23. For the record:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/boston-globe/

[sheshe2]

30. You are correct about the Boston Globe.

Had it been the rag the Boston Herald it would be another story.



These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor conservative causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/boston-herald/

[Budi]

32. Herald/RCenter....Globe/LCenter

So we can rely on Boston Globe, Left Center fact check, reporting.

Thanks! 💙👍

[jcgoldie]

25. complete bullshit

meh

[Silent3]

26. Manchin could have joined Democrats in ending or modifying the filibuster...

...told McConnell to fuck off, and helped Democrats raise the debt ceiling to cover us way, way beyond December, or finally ditch the absurd debt ceiling once and for all.

So, thanks for the crumbs of help you deigned to dole out instead, Manchin.

[George II]

29. This is from June, but Manchin and Sinema aren't the only Democratic Senators who want to keep....

...the filibuster.

Some want to reform it almost to where it was years ago - make it a talking filibuster instead of a simple vote yes/no.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-every-senate-democrat-has-said-about-filibuster-reform

[Budi]

33. Who whould have ever guessed? 🤔

Not a big surprise at all. Frankly, it was expected.

[wellst0nev0ter]

37. Good, expose all the bad actors

[fishwax]

27. what a weird takeaway from this chain of events

yeah, sure, the threat to end the filibuster got Mitch's attention. Nobody denies Manchin's positioned himself for maximum power. But he doesn't have any of that power over McConnell without the democratic party standing behind him. And claiming he's got some sort moral high ground is a different thing entirely.

[Budi]

35. Imagine! And from a Left Center Boston Globe, no less.

How bout that.

[wellst0nev0ter]

36. So Manchin hinted that he would end the filibuster over the debt ceiling?

And that got Turtle to back off?

Well whoop-dee-doo. What does Manchin want, a cookie?

End the filibuster now and take away the machine gun from the trumpanzee apes.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

38. I agree with Lincoln Project person on the 11th Hour

Link to tweet

[Nixie]

40. K&R, thanks for this realistic perspective. Great post.

[Nixie]

41. For the record...a Democrat scoring a win and that perspective

printed in a left-leaning paper is NOT a RW talking point…

It is dishonest to pass this perspective off that way just because he beat “progressives.” Hi 👋

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. If that was "saving" Americans, then it was by giving in to the hostage-taker

He could have really "saved Americans" by voting to eliminate the filibuster for the debt limit (or, even better, everything). McConnell has in no way been "beaten" yet.

What Manchin actually did was cooperate with McConnell to draw out the "crisis". Manchin will get to say "if increasing the debt limit is passed in reconciliation in December, then I want the following out ..." and he'll trash President Biden's agenda for the sake of "bipartisanship".