Bannon, Meadows, Patel and Scavino all ignored subpoenas , why haven't they been arrested?

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[BlueLucy]

1. Republicans are pretending to be negotiating in good faith

Democrats are falling for it while republicans stall. What's new?

[SoCalDavidS]

7. Your Name Says It All

It's LUCY with the football, all over again.

[ProfessorGAC]

2. Other Posts Here In GD...

...specifically state that Meadows & Patel are cooperating.
Bannon is willfully ignoring the subpoena, and Scavino is hiding somewhere.
They can arrest Bannon on contempt charges, but if they can't find that coward Scavino, they can't arrest him.

[Claustrum]

5. The exact word is "engaging" with the committee.

That doesn't mean they are cooperating or will show up. They are simply in communication. They could be in communication and don't come to an agreement to show up after some "engagement".

[ProfessorGAC]

8. I Suppose

It's possible, but I consider it very unlikely.
What do they have to gain by "engaging" then ignoring the subpoena? They could just ignore it in the first place.
I'm not as cynical about their engagement, as I see no upside if they don't intended to testify.

[Claustrum]

10. It wouldn't be the first time. Remember the little fiasco Flynn did with the Russian probe?

Flynn agreed to cooperate with the probe even with terms of agreement. Only for us to find out months later that Flynn is more an inside person for Trump to get information about what the fed has on them and then defied the cooperation agreement later. And we found out later that Flynn actually never cooperated with the probe.

I am sorry, after the Trump era, I am very skeptical with any Trumpist and we are talking about all Trumpist here.

[Bev54]

14. Scavino was served today, in New York.

[calimary]

35. I just saw that. Good.

[NH Ethylene]

36. Good news. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

40. Cool, Thanks!

Had not seen that.
Worm turning on that worm!

[catrose]

42. So happy!

I was afraid we'd have to set that detective on him, the one that found Monica Lewinsky, and I didn't want to do that, any more than I want to order from Amazon.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

3. Was she arrested less than 24 hours after not showing up?

Since everyone is jumping all over the committee and DoJ for not doing their jobs...

[reACTIONary]

43. +10 nt

[Ocelot II]

4. They have *said* they won't honor the subpoenas but unless/until they fail to show up

at the designated time next week, they aren't in violation of them. They aren't subject to any penalties until they actually fail to respond to the subpoenas; at that time, but not until then, they can be referred for prosecution.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

38. Yes--I heard that from Dem last night, said it's prudent to wait bc if they

..[ odious-racist-criminale#45's sycophants y traitors] don't show (and they won't-- imo) then Jan 6 Committee will turn over to DOJ for criminal prosecution. Perhaps has more bite if DOJ handles it.. [note will add source on edit if I can recall program, and Dem guest discussing said.]

[FBaggins]

6. Very different scenario that confuses the issue

It was a grand jury subpoena that was first appealed to a court and involved immunity.

And I don't think it was an 18-month sentence... I think it was for however long the grand jury was sitting and she still didn't testify.

Those refusing to testify here do face potential consequences... but it wouldn't mean arrest today. It could take several months to work through the process.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

9. NO! THEY MUST BE ARRESTED NOW!!!!

Because "Justice delayed" or some trite slogan.

[ms liberty]

22. She spent a total of 22 months in jail and

They moved her several times during her incarceration. She felt it was done as punishment for not helping them set up Bill. She wrote a book about the whole business after she got out that was a pretty good read,.

[Tomconroy]

11. The subpoenas were just to produce documents. They may have been subpoenaed as

Well to testify at depositions next week.
The committee has to vote on enforcement. Theoretically they could send maybe the house sergeant at arms to arrest someone and lock them up in the Capitol basement but it will get referred to DOJ to do something.

[WomanWhoRoars]

12. As I understand it.....

...they have a right to appear in court and ask that they not be subpoenaed. Then, hopefully, a judge denies the request and they are then required to appear. IF they fail to appear at that point, then they can be arrested.

[PortTack]

13. Geez..take a breath! Congress woman Cheney has put in a letter there will be criminal referrals

Our dem leaders and committee members need our support ..not back handed comments

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. That's not what Rick Wilson said!

We have to believe him because the Democrats NEVER DO ANYTHING!!!!!

/S

[brush]

25. Why believe someone not on the committee over someone who is?

That makes no sense.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. Ummm,

I think he/she is being sarcastic.

[brush]

30. Some threads are a waste of time IMO. This is one.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. Agreed. nt

[babylonsister]

45. Thank you for sharing that.

I'm breathing a sigh of relief. Stay tuned, everyone.

[ColinC]

15. Meadows and Patel have actually been scheduled to appear

Anybody not cooperating is risking arrest

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. But a Republican Twitter personality said the committee wasn't doing anything!

We have to believe them because Lucy and Charlie Brown or something.

[SoCalDavidS]

23. They've ALL Been Scheduled To Appear

That means absolutely Nothing.

It's pointless to argue the point. We'll see what happens.

If I'm wrong, and they show up, or are thrown in jail for not, then I will gladly come back and say how completely wrong I was to have doubts.

[TreasonousBastard]

20. McDougal was also already convicted on other charges,...

wary of being charged for perjury, and the subpoena was from the special prosecutor for a grand jury, not a congressional committee.

Her testimony conflicted with two others, hence the perjury fear.

The sentences were from Judge Wright, who could be accused of bias.

And she ended up with a full pardon from Clinton.

[Pathwalker]

33. She REFUSED the pardon, stating that accepting it would admit guilt, and she

refused to do so. She also spent months chained to a toilet in jail, under Starr's orders.

[ancianita]

21. Last night, as I recall, it was maybe Danny Goldman or Adam Schiff who said that

there's no criminal referral likely for a documents subpoena, which is what this was -- a deadline for documents. Three of the four are making noises just appear to be trying to answer them, in order to avoid any possibility that the committee might make a referral to the DOJ.

He said that the committee will get action from the DOJ when these witnesses fail to show up for deposition, which is when the committee would make a criminal referral that likely applies under Inherent Contempt of Congress.

[SoCalDavidS]

24. Their Depositions Are Scheduled For Next Thursday & Friday

So I expect there will be action to punish them soon thereafter, when they don't show.

But I'm not holding my breath.

[ancianita]

39. We'll see, then.

Enforcement of the law has been the problem revealed over the last four years.

[triron]

29. Why 'not likely'? WTF does that mean and why not?

[ancianita]

37. I think he was saying there's no specific law that makes it criminal to not turn in docs.

I'm with you and agree, but that's how I remember his explaining the step-by-step strategy that will get the DOJ to act.

The next step is, if the AG won't act on a criminal referral, then the committee MUST step up and CHARGE the witnesses for Obstruction of Justice, which the DOJ will have to adjudicate.

All this is meant to stall and frustrate rule of law, but imo the committee will prevail in the end.

[Effete Snob]

26. Because that would require a prosecutor and a judge...

…as in the example of McDougal, and neither of which is yet involved here.

And if you think they are going to proceed under “inherent contempt” powers, then good luck.

[tritsofme]

27. If you are so impatient, maybe track them down and do a citizen's arrest?

[hurple]

32. Question: was she taken into custody within one day?

Be patient. Things take time. Especially with them hiding in their secret supervillain bases.

[Fiendish Thingy]

34. Liz Cheney says subpoenas will be enforced; statement from committee due soon. Nt

[relayerbob]

41. I thought tonight at midnight is the deadline

[Blue Owl]

44. HAUL THEIR ASSES IN -- RIGHT FUCKING NOW