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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsReportedly, the WH Counsel, Cippollone, told Trump on January 6th that he might be arrested.
It would be interesting to hear what Trump said to him when advised that he might be taken away that very day?
Cippollone should be called to testify before the Select Committee. He would have a lot of useful information, in my opinion.
It would show the degree of guilt that Trump felt at that time.
There is so much still to learn about what happened on that day?
hlthe2b
(102,116 posts)that we've lost all chance to do so.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)He can escape on the wings of his getaway tortoise.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)Justice can seem slow at times and extremely slow when the evidence is so overwhelming. Sometimes I wonder
if the powers that be at the top of the Democratic Party don't want Qrump arrested now but at a future date
they feel would help us more in the midterms. Timing can be everything in politics.
Haggard Celine
(16,834 posts)I don't think that it's a good idea to delay justice, though. They're taking a big gamble if they're waiting until the time is more politically advantageous. If people see it as just typical Democrat v. Republican bickering, waiting until we're closer to the election could backfire.
I think he should be indicted as soon as they have evidence that can be presented to a grand jury. If Trump tries to incite another insurrection, he should be arrested and held until his trial is over.
It would be hard to keep a former President in a prison since he:s entitled to Secret Service protection, but he could be put under house arrest with no contact with the outside world. I think he will try to start something. He can't help it, and Biden will be obliged to handle Trump like any other domestic threat.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Sad to say.
RVN VET71
(2,689 posts)facing justice fof his crimes against this country. Worse, unless the Dems start seriously kicking ass (criminal contempt charges against the stonewalling 4, for starters), his death will see a huge memorial to his greatness in Mar-a-Lago where worshippers can visit, touch his faux-gold statue and buy hugely overpriced memorial gifts, tiny statuettes, little dioramas of his wall, all of it made in China.
No way the Fat Man does any hard time. Focus your hopes on his kids and close advisors.
PatSeg
(47,252 posts)We tend to think it is like in the movies or TV where the President commits some kind of treason and instantly the authorities come and take him away in disgrace. In real life, things are more complex than that, especially in a functioning democracy. In third world countries, leaders are often removed from power quickly and thrown in jail, even killed.
I know we've been patient for a long time, but sadly it is the price we must pay in a democracy, if we are to survive.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)OnDoutside
(19,945 posts)kentuck
(111,051 posts)blogslug
(37,981 posts)It kind of follows what the OP is saying:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/after-a-day-of-violence-and-25th-amendment-chatter-trumps-allies-jumping-ship
Cipollones purported concern that Trump was committing treasona federal crimeillustrates the chaos and fear of Wednesdays unprecedented events. At least one staffer isnt waiting to flee the ship. On Wednesday night, CNN reported that Stephanie Grisham, the former White House communications director and Melania Trumps current chief of staff, resigned over the Trump-inspired riot. As staff quit or steer clear, Trump is increasingly isolated and alone. According to a person close to the White House, Trump refused to take calls on Wednesday from business leaders who wanted him to call off the insurrectionists. A former West Wing staffer said Republicans were texting and calling Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to lobby him to intervene, but Meadows wasnt answering...
Like I said, not exactly what the OP stated but kinda
Champp
(2,114 posts)Cip is a chip off the old Republican shitblock.
Lock the Republican traitors up.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,150 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)that can go as fast as FIVE miles per hour. At that blazing speed, no one will catch him.
underpants
(182,595 posts)Ill call whoever it is and turn on my super salesman powers like I did in those COVID press conferences. They cant say No - Im the best!
Vinca
(50,236 posts)laundering and a host of other things. Remember before the election and we were all pretty convinced the NY AG would be indicting him the second he put his foot out the White House door? The whole thing is a massive disappointment. There are laws for some people, but not for others.
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)Robert Mueller handed the DOJ 20 counts of obstruction of justice for which Trump could be indicted when he left office. Nada. Those crimes are history and never be brought up again.
Trump visibly incited a vicious insurrection on national television. The DOJ should have announced a major investigation into Trumps role and that of anyone funding or planning the attack as soon as Biden took office. Those attacking the Capitol and members of Congress were the foot soldiers, not the brains and the money behind the idea and the plan. An acting AG could have started the ball rolling before Garland was confirmed (which took far too long). I believe that had the DOJ announced a Special Prosecutor immediately, the Republican lies would not have had as much time to take hold.
As for NY, Cyrus Vance is retiring soon. Will his replacement even bother continuing this case?
The other case that has potential is the Georgia case where Trump is on tape demanding that the Secretary of State create enough votes for Trump to overturn his loss. He is on tape committing a crime. Why hasnt a Grand Jury been called to get an indictment? That may be only one part of all his crimes, but trying to lump everything in one big investigation means that time is slipping away and nothing may ever be done.
WaPo has an opinion piece today by David Gerson, who is basically predicting that Trump will become president in 2024 and Republicans will take full control of Congress. I agree with him because nothing is being done about all the voter suppression laws and the setup for fraud that Republicans have been creating to have an excuse for throwing out certain votes. And in other news today, we learned that election workers in Georgia were caught shredding voter registration applications. Republicans will cheat every way possible, and I dont see how we can stop them.
Diraven
(497 posts)They will abuse their power every way possible to make sure that Democrats (and the American people for that matter) never threaten to replace them again.
Irish_Dem
(46,468 posts)But he always gets away with his crimes, so he probably dismissed claims he might be arrested.
stopdiggin
(11,241 posts)all indications are that the man really isn't wired that way.
Irish_Dem
(46,468 posts)kentuck
(111,051 posts)Fear would most likely be his reaction, rather than guilt. Although the guilt may be disguised as fear?
Irish_Dem
(46,468 posts)for their immoral or illegal behavior.
When confronted with their behavior, or made to face consequences, they would usually feel rage, anger, humiliation, fear.
And would then take action to protect themselves, and likely lash out, blame others, get revenge, etc.
They don't have any guilt feelings to disguise as fear. This would be more typical of a normal personality.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)I would agree.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,360 posts)He was always afraid of being humiliated, according to Mary Trump, but he was incapable of feeling guilt.
Being led away in handcuffs on national TV would be the ultimate humiliation.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)Justice matters.
(6,918 posts)Ten counts of Obstruction of Justice (unpunished). Where is the unredacted report? Grand-Jury Materials?
Minimum 600,000 negligent homicides (he knew and didn't care to lie in order to not have to work to prevent them) unpunished.
Witnesses tampering (unpunished).
Those we KNOW the clear evidence.
Martin Eden
(12,843 posts)I don't think feelings of guilt enter the consciousness of this malignant narcissist. His sense of privilege and entitlement are boundless. Would be dictators do not entertain the notion they are wrong for using any means necessary to gain power.
It's possible he might be wary of exposure to criminal prosecution or other undesirable consequences, but maybe not. He was still president, his high flying ego full of wrath over the November election.
All that mattered was doing whatever it took to hold on to that power.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)No matter what the people said. If they voted against him, he would just call it a fraud. He had no plans on leaving the White House.
Martin Eden
(12,843 posts)... essentially ending America's great experiment in democracy?
With a few exceptions, they have shown they care more about their own careers and holding onto power than they do about our Constitution, the integrity of our elections, and the flag they so falsely wave.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)One thing the American people should know by now is that Republicans cannot be trusted to protect our country or our people. They are not deserving of governance.
Grasswire2
(13,565 posts)...has brought us to this point.
If Republicans had been held accountable for their crimes and made to feel some pain, we might have staved off the position we are now in.
Think about all the miscreants, traitors, bad actors, crooks and swindlers who have never been brought to justice.
It's truly sickening.
PatSeg
(47,252 posts)I don't think Trump has ever felt guilty about anything, because he feel entitled to do whatever he wants. I do, however, think he is capable of fear and that he is afraid he will be held accountable for his actions eventually. Meanwhile, he repeatedly breaks all the rules and from his perspective nothing happens, which just encourages him to be more outrageous. On some level, he probably believes he is somehow untouchable, but a part of him is still afraid.
Martin Eden
(12,843 posts)Is tacit acceptance.
PatSeg
(47,252 posts)have shown acceptance. At least with Nixon, republicans drew a line and said, "enough is enough". It appears that with Trump, he really can do anything without losing their support.
Martin Eden
(12,843 posts)The Republican Party as a whole is not only on board with Trumpism; they are eagerly pushing the boundaries to see how much they can get away with.
PatSeg
(47,252 posts)I've seen people do that sort of thing, but never so many in lockstep with one another.
Martin Eden
(12,843 posts)Did Trump cause it, or was he a manifestation of a preexisting underlying condition?
johnthewoodworker
(694 posts)kentuck
(111,051 posts)...is controlled by the Property Party, the Republicans. They have been more keen to subpoenas and taking matters to Court than Democrats, it seems to me.
Farmer-Rick
(10,134 posts)Be held accountable.
He is their monster and people like the Koch bros, Waltons, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Gates, Kissinger and the Google princes would never let such a criminal as Trump go to jail. He's their horror show. He's exactly the kind of dick-tater they want to run this nation.
Look at the clueless lump of psychotic narcissism that is Trump. He's stupid and ignorant. Born with over $400 million he could barely educate himself. He is so out of touch that he thinks his orange make-up, yellow comb over, oversized suits and sex worker for a wife is a good look. He holds the same opinions about exercise, medicine, race relations, economics, military strategy and business skill as the impoverished guy in the 10 yr old trailer living on food stamps and Social Security behind the abandoned strip mall.
And a lot of these particular traits of Trump are shared by most of the 300 filthy rich oligarchs who rule the US. They see him and think what a great king he would make. And so they are all protecting him for use on another day.
malaise
(268,677 posts)he called them off while telling them he loved them
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)so I did.
Evolve Dammit
(16,694 posts)arms to his supporters (in coded language of course). At that point, can he be arrested? Because you know he will, and they will answer the Chosen One's call. Do we really have to wait for that? Apparently.
Justice matters.
(6,918 posts)What is their plan to prevent that obvious nightmare scenario to come, and don't accept the status-quo answer.
Or are they in on wanting to care more about their career than the Democratic Republic and its Constitution?
Because a theocracy king will imprison them all on any (false) accusation.
Evolve Dammit
(16,694 posts)not like they are blind or oblivious is it? Do they really think it's not going to happen at some point? It will come down to how many are willing to take up arms and how coordinated they are. If 1/6 is any indicator or preparedness, I don't even want to go there.
CanonRay
(14,082 posts)Color me skeptical.