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hedda_foil

(16,483 posts)
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:06 PM Oct 2021

Do you think the Republicans in Congress WANT to start a depression on Biden's watch?

Yes, it's an odd question but listening today to Pelosi's description of the consequences of failure to raise the debt ceiling, I was struck by how easily the economy could be taken down by a combination of factors that we currently face.

- McConnell's pledge that his caucus will not vote to raise the debt ceiling again in December.
- Fuel shortages and shipping slowdowns around the world.
- Continuing supply line shortages and foul-ups.
- Manufacturing shortages leading to layoffs.
- Ongoing covid infections with the potential of further variants spreading.
- Continuing climate breakdown.
- Trumpists sweeping 2022 elections and paralyzing not only the Biden agenda but any
Democratic attempt to mitigate American suffering.

A combination of these circumstances could easily cause the national and global economy to fall off a very steep cliff. If that were to happen, Trump's reelection in '24 would be virtually assured, and that's all for Democracy, folks!

What do you think?

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Do you think the Republicans in Congress WANT to start a depression on Biden's watch? (Original Post) hedda_foil Oct 2021 OP
Yes. TDale313 Oct 2021 #1
Yes. piddyprints Oct 2021 #2
Yes sakabatou Oct 2021 #3
I don't think McConnell can do much in the minority jimfields33 Oct 2021 #4
I'm relying on plenty of Republicans to vote Democrat for the next year or more.......... secondwind Oct 2021 #5
I hope so. Some must be getting WTF is going on, but I still fear many will RKP5637 Oct 2021 #9
Then, IMO, we're fucked. CrispyQ Oct 2021 #15
Yes Norbert Oct 2021 #6
Yes!!! The GOP will do absolutely anything IMO to wreck Biden's administration, and RKP5637 Oct 2021 #7
They tried it under Obama too. n/t DeeNice Oct 2021 #8
And largely worked Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #25
Yes. East-A-Squared Oct 2021 #10
Absolutely. Their only goal is to screw Biden/Democrats. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2021 #11
Of course. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #12
Without a doubt - anything to regain power. It's all they care about. kysrsoze Oct 2021 #13
I don't know how far he'll take this one. But lets remember he was the active enabler BeckyDem Oct 2021 #14
Yes, they are giving us the full Jimmy Carter treatment Tumbulu Oct 2021 #16
They're power hungry and don't give 2 shits about this country. Lunabell Oct 2021 #17
They already voted for that to happen. They. Will. Scorch. The. Earth. themaguffin Oct 2021 #18
Yes. They blockaded Obama because they knew he's get credit for recovery... JHB Oct 2021 #19
No doubt, and they need it to happen. S/V Loner Oct 2021 #20
yes of course.. thats been their plan all along samnsara Oct 2021 #21
Of course hamsterjill Oct 2021 #22
Create chaos and the appearance of chaos in as many ways possible Under The Radar Oct 2021 #23
Absolutely. Didn't realize that was even a question? CousinIT Oct 2021 #24
Count Me In The 'Yes' Column, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2021 #26
yes, and much more. demigoddess Oct 2021 #27
absolutely! rurallib Oct 2021 #28
That IS their latest MO. ananda Oct 2021 #29
They want to blow democracy up very badly because the GOP's history is so rotten when it comes to joetheman Oct 2021 #30

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
1. Yes.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:10 PM
Oct 2021

This has been pretty openly their plan. Crash the economy, stymie attempts to slow the pandemic, and count on Biden and the Dems getting the blame.

piddyprints

(14,793 posts)
2. Yes.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:11 PM
Oct 2021

They want President Biden to fail spectacularly. And the American people are too stupid to know who to blame.

jimfields33

(18,420 posts)
4. I don't think McConnell can do much in the minority
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:11 PM
Oct 2021

Thankfully we have a year to ensure we keep both chambers. The logistics is a temporary hiccup that will be fixed.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
5. I'm relying on plenty of Republicans to vote Democrat for the next year or more..........
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:12 PM
Oct 2021

This may be the only way we can survive the barrage.......

CrispyQ

(37,980 posts)
15. Then, IMO, we're fucked.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:26 PM
Oct 2021

Sorry to be such a downer. I had a brief exchange with a cousin who is a non-religious, moderate republican. He voted Trump twice, but doesn't really like the man, but has been brainwashed that dems are bad for the economy & national security. He's a total Fox news listener, thinks the election was stolen, but still was happy to be one of the first to qualify for a vaccine. So just like all repubs, he cherry picks his facts. IMO, he will vote Trump again. And he will blame Biden that Covid is still around & that the economy hasn't recovered. I think a lot of independents will think the same. I think the never trumpers are the only repubs we can count on.

Mid-terms don't usually favor the party of the sitting president. Our side is up against obstacles like never before. And their side is fired up on hate & emboldened by the perception they are getting away with it. And maybe they are. Who knows if the dems are just not showing their hand, or if they even have a hand?

When Bannon doesn't show on Thursday, we will find out.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
7. Yes!!! The GOP will do absolutely anything IMO to wreck Biden's administration, and
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:12 PM
Oct 2021

then use that for their typical propaganda in 2022 and 2024. So many voters in the US just can not seem to comprehend WTF is going on and literally can't think for themselves.

Mad_Machine76

(24,768 posts)
25. And largely worked
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 01:10 PM
Oct 2021

but they didn't succeed in McConnell's ultimate goal of making him a one-term POTUS. And we got ACA and the economy recovered in spite of all of the sabotage (although likely slower than it otherwise might have). Of course, right now, we have even more problems and issues that they are keen to exacerbate.

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
14. I don't know how far he'll take this one. But lets remember he was the active enabler
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:24 PM
Oct 2021

for Trump. Evil is not an exaggeration in describing McConnell.

Tumbulu

(6,431 posts)
16. Yes, they are giving us the full Jimmy Carter treatment
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:27 PM
Oct 2021

I feel so down about it all.

Hoping that Biden and senior dems learned some tricks from those times.

But I don’t know.

JHB

(37,381 posts)
19. Yes. They blockaded Obama because they knew he's get credit for recovery...
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:35 PM
Oct 2021

...from the 2008 crash, but if the hobbled it and made it anemic they could blame him for the protracted slump. Conservative media would shout that spin and mainstream media would "both sides" it to death.

No different now. They want to prevent or cripple any Democratic success, and use that failure as their road back to power.

S/V Loner

(9,092 posts)
20. No doubt, and they need it to happen.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:36 PM
Oct 2021

They need a catastrophe to happen in order to drive the middle into their arms, if only for a short period of time. Just enough time for them to solidify their hold on power. It would be better for the GOP and the Uber Rich if it is the economy rather than a war or a terrorist attack. A wrecked economy would be easier to control.
The real money on Wall Street will do just fine and even come out ahead. When the rest of the country is in misery that will be their chance to take it all.

hamsterjill

(15,441 posts)
22. Of course
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:39 PM
Oct 2021

The Republican agenda is to do anything that weakens Democrats.

Anything. It’s really that simple.

Under The Radar

(3,418 posts)
23. Create chaos and the appearance of chaos in as many ways possible
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

….that is the plan and then blame democrats for all of it.

CousinIT

(9,909 posts)
24. Absolutely. Didn't realize that was even a question?
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 01:07 PM
Oct 2021

They'd LOVE to do that, so they have something to run on in 2022 and 2024

ananda

(30,403 posts)
29. That IS their latest MO.
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 03:14 PM
Oct 2021

Make more people sick or dead from Covid....

Ruin the economy.....

Make Biden look bad....

Blame the Dems.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
30. They want to blow democracy up very badly because the GOP's history is so rotten when it comes to
Tue Oct 12, 2021, 03:16 PM
Oct 2021

governance and running the country. When they are in power either by the number or by the rules they screw up everything, everywhere and a Dem President and eventually a Dem Congress has to come along and fix it and make us look better than we actually are.

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