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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCarville-I don't think this man (Merrick Garland) knows whether to wind his ass or scratch his watch
https://www.thedailybeast.com/either-merrick-garland-gets-to-work-or-we-can-kiss-democracy-goodbye?ref=home
https://play.acast.com/s/the-new-abnormal/carville-eitherdemsholdonorkissdemocracy-sassgoodbye
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4HNBk3NUDADX2Asv7P4sET
kysrsoze
(6,019 posts)from the Dept of Justice - all talk.
Response to kysrsoze (Reply #1)
Fullduplexxx This message was self-deleted by its author.
brooklynite
(94,302 posts)SoCalDavidS
(9,998 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,905 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Indeed, why does DU even permit this post that is so critical of a Democrat. We don;t need that here too.
Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)Democrat
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,905 posts)Surely that counts for the TOS for this website.
Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,414 posts)who committed brazen crimes, in the open and on camera are still not only free but actively undermining the prosecution and our democracy? Some have even made admissions that are damn near confessions.
Yet the DoJ has to "consider" enforcing a subpoena?
They weren't accused anonymously, with no evidence. One could understand why that kind of case would allow the suspect to remain free during the investigation. These people were caught in the act and admitted it. That calls for immediate arrest and incarceration while the prosecution builds that airtight case.
This is totally unacceptable to anyone not getting paid to shill for the status quo.
Trueblue1968
(17,189 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,840 posts)The doj is a mess and it takes time to clean it up ... nothing happens over night ... you need to be patient... you dont understand the process ...
Celerity
(43,069 posts)of subordinates. I have seen so many legal experts say that there is a distinct possibility that the Rethugs/Trumpers stall this all out for 2 years or more. If we lose the House and/or the Senate in a year or so, there goes a huge chunk of our Congressional oversight capacity.
Link to tweet
Laurence Tribe: If Garland doesn't prosecute Trump, the rule of law is "out the window"
Eminent constitutional law expert: If Biden and Garland won't go after Trump, country is in "desperate trouble"
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/30/laurence-tribe-if-garland-doesnt-prosecute-trump-the-rule-of-law-is-out-the-window/
Bettie
(16,058 posts)if everyone acknowledges that the laws apply to them.
One side has decided that laws (also rules and norms) don't apply to them and by all appearances Garland agrees.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,414 posts)Seeing all these traitors walking free and preparing for the next time is beyond disgusting.
padah513
(2,494 posts)But considering that trump had a scandal brewing just about every other day for four years I can see where it might take a little time to get their judicial house back in order. Needs to hurry up though. The clock is moving.
MiHale
(9,661 posts)Tell us something at least hold a mirror up to your nose so we can see if youre still with us.
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)MiHale
(9,661 posts)If so, so be it.
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,840 posts)Getting is fitzmas
MiHale
(9,661 posts)Guess I need to sharpen my wit a little. Saw a real nice sharpener online today, good price, think Ill get it.
Thanks.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,840 posts)Goodheart
(5,307 posts)exactly the one he's playing.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)usaf-vet
(6,161 posts)That's why some of us are getting a little concerned about the future.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)He certainly doesn't know as much as DUers who insist Merrick Garland just needs more time and space (and who definitely can't be bothered to answer direct questions without playing coy ffs!)
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)He's been semiretired for nearly 10 years.
Who are all these insiders he would know, 20+ years after Bill Clinton left office.
I understand his frustration, but I'm highly skeptical that he was special inside knowledge.
hadEnuf
(2,172 posts)And that's all it takes to figure out what needs to be done.
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)But a light year from my point.
hadEnuf
(2,172 posts)And Carville is well known are regarded so I don't think he is quite out of the insider loop yet.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)He's a regular contributor at The Hill which specializes in Capital Hill gossip. Plus he's still a poli sci professor at Tulane iirc.
If you think guys like Carville (or Axelrod or other leading power brokers R or Dem) are disconnected from DC just because their successful candidate is no longer in office, well there's just no way. Heck, Terry McAuliffe even has Carville sending out fundraising pitches - as recently as last week.
triron
(21,984 posts)Celerity
(43,069 posts)the OP and it is hard to argue with most of what he said overall. It is worth a listen.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)Time without consequential punishment is the most potent weapon trump and his goons have, right now. We need to spool this slow-and-steady bullshit up, and damned soon. trump's fascist return to the White House needs to be stopped, now.
Garland is devoid of any personality or energy. We need an AG who has a sense of urgency and about 20 years younger (I'm 75 btw).
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)Do we even know for sure? Does Carville know? I need more evidence before I believe that Garland is "doing nothing" (and no, Trump not being in chains this very instant does NOT constitute proof).
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)Some people here seem to believe that going after his Trump, et. al is supposed to be his primary, if not sole, job responsibility and that is not AFAIK his only responsibility at DOJ. Please correct me if wrong.
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)And his responsibility to investigate the crimes against the United States by the previous administration is one of his most important responsibilities. Please correct me if wrong.
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)and nothing is produced, then I would probably concede that he is not doing anything (re: Trump) but whether or not he is "doing something" (re: Trump) is pretty unprovable until DOJ releases something publicly. Of course, they can look at stuff and available evidence and be unable to prove anything too and/or decide not to indict, depending on what's uncovered. I still feel like 7 months is too short of a time period to properly evaluate Garland's ability to do the job for which he was appointed.
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)It's 2021. Even one more year is way too late.
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,840 posts)Will disappear
sarisataka
(18,472 posts)Supreme Court appointments are for life. Can you imagine?
Just in case it isn't clear-
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)At present, his is a job for a man with a thirst for blood, which I fear Mr. Garland lacks. Usually that's a good thing, but not now.
I'm open to being pleasantly surprised by some future developments, but wouldn't bet the rent on it.
hadEnuf
(2,172 posts)The Mouth
(3,143 posts)FoxNewsSucks
(10,414 posts)The traitorous criminals need to be prosecuted,and while the case is being built they still should face immediate and powerful consequences.
I desperately hope the bad feeling I have about this turns out to be 180° wrong, but I not only wouldn't bet the rent I wouldn't even risk betting lunch on it.
Boomerproud
(7,938 posts)usaf-vet
(6,161 posts)I would rather be saying... job well done we did what we need to do to save Democracy.
Patton French
(742 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,027 posts)we must join this battle sooner rather than later and prick this bubble now. It will only metastasize from here.
CrispyQ
(36,413 posts)Hopefully they're building their case & will sink Trump by next September, before early voting starts. We already have a ton of obstruction standing in the way of too many voters, we don't need a demoralized base, too.
Here's hoping Andrew Weissmann has disappeared from MSNBC cuz he's working with the DOJ.
triron
(21,984 posts)Diraven
(497 posts)That might be misconstrued as being politically motivated. Republicans on the other hand consider politically motivated misuse of of justice to be a virtue.
budkin
(6,698 posts)No wonder he sailed through confirmation.
samsingh
(17,590 posts)i guess we are willing to let Democracy die as we twiddle thumbs.
The House committee hasn't done much with their subpoena - no enforcement while the months go by. Afganistan might have been inevitable, but execution played into Trump's hands totally.
the two idiot senators we have might as well be maga because they are enabling trump.
yes, i'm very concerned.
Kid Berwyn
(14,789 posts)Click in a box and it opens the page with relevant info:
https://www.justice.gov/agencies/chart
live love laugh
(13,074 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,378 posts)I don't think any of us know what the DOJ is doing regarding investigation of Trump.
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)Exactly. If he's going to work everyday, I would assume that he's doing his job, which is managing DOJ.
bringthePaine
(1,727 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)I mean maybe......just maybe..... if we tell him that is okay, if he doesn't want to come he doesn't have to, and any other subpoena'd witness for that matter. Then, maybe... the other Republicans will turn and look and say "golly gee, those Democrats are actually really nice folks, and we respect the quality of niceness above all. Lets go give them a hug, and then voluntarily comply"
Deep State Witch
(10,409 posts)I'm sure that Merrick Garland is a nice guy and very qualified. However, what we need now is NOT a nice guy. We need someone who's going to kick ass and take names. He should step down and Biden should nominate Preet Bharara for the job.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)We do not need nice right now. We need someone who will stand toe-to-toe with people who are intent on destroying our democracy. Someone who can and will push the limits and act creatively.
The time for nice has run out.
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)7 months in, than we are in removing the putrid excrescence that TFG slimed our government with.
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)that you recognize the very different circumstances present in both situations?
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)The Nazis knew they were beat, and the Allies understood that they were up against pure evil.
Edited to add that I in no way blame Garland, much; look at the fact we still have DeJoy!
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)and the military was in charge of the reconstruction and apprehension of war criminals.
The Mouth
(3,143 posts)That was not appropriately punished.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Time is running out. If hes got something, he needs to move with it.
If he doesnt have something on Trump, then hes not the right person for the job because the criminal activity is all around for the viewing.
harumph
(1,890 posts)very very powerful people have already co-opted the state apparatus - they desire an autocracy but can't go
public with it - whether they're concerned about conserving their wealth, or the risk of millions of climate refugees, or whatever, and
we have been duped. I think a lot of people pantomime being liberal or progressive - but when push comes to shove...
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)"Deep State"?
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)harumph
(1,890 posts)Means, method and motivation. Money (the means) motivation (fear of wealth taxation, retribution), and
method (offshore accounts, shell companies) exist. That's no fantasy as you rightly state.
Unfortunately, people can be readily bought and the transaction never see the light of day.
It's less complicated to simply buy compliance rather than threaten.
I hate it when people accuse one of conspiratorial statements, when
a reasonable argument may be made that extreme wealth without effective policing of outright bribery,
and the legalization of money as free speech, etc. have made our political system irredeemably corrupt.
Rather than a "deep state" it's individuals who have co-opted/corrupted/de-railed the state - full stop. The whole schtick of the
republican party has been treason-by-bumpkins for years (events engineered to look home grown and presented as such by the
media). Remember the Brooks Brother's riot in Florida? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot
How is that not a logical foreshadowing of the events of 1-6?
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)that they DO document this elite group that really is taking over the wealth and power of the world and is essentially untouchable because its reach is global and beyond any government.
This is TERRIFYING. But this story surfaces every couple of years and then very quickly sinks and no one really gets it. And part of the reason for that is that those who are members of this group are in control of much of our communication.
Mad_Machine76
(24,391 posts)what a lot of people here want (and maybe think we even need) is a left-wing Bill Barr fixer-type person in charge at DOJ. You may think that Garland may be the wrong person for the job but where is the evidence Bahara or Yates would be handling things differently? They'd be constrained by process and law, just the same as Garland and I believe they'd honor them. Not even Sessions nor Bill Barr nor Barr's temporary replacement at the end were willing to completely shred the law for Trump. We need to let whatever legal processes that need to play out play out with Trump, et. al. We're supposed to be for due process and rule of law and against authoritarianism.
joetheman
(1,450 posts)BootinUp
(47,053 posts)But I am hesitant to jump on a bandwagon without details. My personal opinion about Garland is that he is qualified and probably doing things by the book. We may not like the book when it doesnt seem to help.
Scrivener7
(50,901 posts)have been some indictment of a low level conspirator on a simple charge. There would have been some colleague or neighbor of a low level conspirator twitter-posting a video of the DOJ taking away a laptop. There would have been some person who was interviewed in connection to some investigation who spilled the beans on some TV show or some social media platform.
There has been nothing. I want desperately to believe the "you just don't understand all the amazing things going on behind the scenes" crowd. But right now, I absolutely do not.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)triron
(21,984 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Time's a wastin'