The AntiVax Cray Cray on full display

[UpInArms]

https://www.givesendgo.com/rodgergundersen

BACKGROUND:

He went to the ER with a fever, and was told he tested positive for Covid-19. He was brought to the ICU, put on oxygen, and told he had to be put on a ventilator right away if he wanted to survive. Rodger was terrified of being put on a ventilator, and told me adamantly, he did NOT want to be on one. He knew the odds were horrible of surviving once being on the ventilator. After speaking with his team, and finding out his chance of surviving the ventilator was under 15%, we asked if we could start him on a protocol that our family doctor had used with sucess in Covid-19 patients. They said they would not allow it while in their hospital.

We decided to take him home and try this protocol since the chances were much greater than the ventilator statistics. We implored the staff to let us leave quickly so we could have time to get our prescription from the doctor. After many different excuses (there is no oxygen you can take with you, or we don't have a protocol for someone to leave the ICU), It took 8 hours for the staff to finally let Rodger leave, and once we were home, we could not get the prescription we needed because the doctor's office had closed. There was no option to simply let him stay and get oxygen. Every 5 minutes, another nurse or doctor would come talk to us, and tell us point blank: "Rodger is going to have a heart attack any minute now", or "you will not last an hour without the ventilator", or "I guarantee you won't make it to the elevator without having a cardiac arrest".

Rodger was not allowed to rest, he was basically bullied the entire time he was there, told his only option was to go on a ventilator or he would die. Each time a nurse came to talk to him, I watched his monitor, and his heart rate and breathing went up significantly. He was terrified of the ventilator and did not want to be on one. I finally got him home and settled in, after now 9 hours of no treatment. He wore his oxygen mask and tried to get rest.

The next morning, Rodger's oxygen saturation dipped low into the 40's. I had just gotten his prescription for Ivermectin, among other things, and gave him his first dose. We waited for the medicine to kick in, but his oxygen levels were not improving. It became apparent that he needed more oxygen than he was getting so I called for an ambulance and he was brought back to the same hospital. Once there, o2 saturation level came up to around 75 but they still insisted he be put on a ventilator right away. I was not allowed to be with him, but I did get a phone call a few hours after he had been admitted. It was Rodger telling me he couldn't think straight and that they wanted to put him on the ventilator and he doesn't know what to do. He ended up agreeing because they had taken his mask off for him to have the phone call with me and his levels dropped significantly. Now that he is in a medically induced coma, and on drugs that paralize him, they are not agreeing to treat him with even basic vitamins, or even better, a protocol which includes vitamins, supplements and safe, FDA approved medications proven to effectively treat cases similar to Rodger's. I need help paying for an attorney who will assist me in gaining the hospital's cooperation in providing this medical treatment, which is actually prescribed by a doctor. If I can not get the hospital to budge, and give me the right to try a treatment plan with a much higher success rate than what their current plan has, I will need to transfer him to a facility that will allow it. I am currently going through lists of any nearby hospitals who do allow this protocol.

Roger "Danger" Gundersen, 48, Vancouver, WA, anti-vaxxer, Ivermecton worshiper, Dead, COVID.

[lagomorph777]

1. Among many idiotic things, didn't understand WHY so few survive the ventilator.

Once you get to that stage, your odds are very poor, regardless. The ventilator can only help a little.

Should have just given him wormer and/or Clorox at home, and saved hospital capacity for people who believe in science.

[markie]

2. one of the comments...

"...Just one of the latest of 90,000 unvaccinated Americans to die unnecessarily since June. That doesn't even count the vulnerable vaccinated who have died because the unvaccinated keep spreading the virus. In a just world, the anti-vaxx grifters would be indicted for at least 90,000 counts of first degree murder."

[Aristus]

3. She thought vitamins would make him better.

That alone is some graduate-level idiocy right there. But even worse is the fact that the vitamin supplement industry is not regulated by the Federal government for purity and efficacy. So she's putting her trust in something even though she has no idea what's actually in those vitamins she trusts so much.

"I don't know what's in it" is a common anti-vaxxer slogan.

I just can't deal with the stupid...

[Buckeye_Democrat]

4. They have more trust in a corporation...

... comprised of unelected tyrants, essentially, than our government of elected representatives.

Right-wing propaganda has promoted those ideas for years.

[Ray Bruns]

5. I am a little confused

After many different excuses (there is no oxygen you can take with you, or we don't have a protocol for someone to leave the ICU), It took 8 hours for the staff to finally let Rodger leave, and once we were home, we could not get the prescription we needed because the doctor's office had closed. There was no option to simply let him stay and get oxygen.

Did they stay or leave and come back? Or did they leave, go back, leave again and then go back?

Maybe someone can help?

[LisaL]

6. They left then he came back.

His oxygen dropped really low, she called the ambulance and back to the hospital he went.

[Chellee]

9. What I don't understand

is if you knew that you wanted to leave the hospital, why didn't you call the doctor's office from the hospital, so that you could get the prescription sent to the pharmacy, so that you could pick it up on the way home? They were at the hospital for 8 hours, presumably at least some of those hours the doctor's office was open. Also, if he had covid, and you believed in the efficacy of Ivermectin, why didn't you get a script prior to him getting bad enough to have to go to the hospital? If you think dewormer and vitamins will be your savior, why wouldn't you have that stuff ahead of time?

Party of personal responsibility right there, sure.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. This is their new excuse

They think the hospital killed their loved one because the hospital refused to give their loved one poison to treat Covid. Ivermectin poisoning is skyrocketing all over, they still refuse to latch on.

They didn't get vaccinated and didn't get help in time, then they refused the help they were given. But they'll blame others now. Sad.

[LisaL]

8. Exactly.

If they want to be treated with ivermectin and vitamins, they should stay home and eat all the horse paste they can get their paws on. Why are they showing up in hospitals and demand treatments by their "own protocols?"

[skip fox]

10. Delusional and darkly confused.

And even as he's dying, she's not getting it.

How can we imagine reason can work when the brutality of existence fails.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Vancouver WA is Proud Boy World headquarters. Nt

[modrepub]

12. New Meaning to "Sovereign" Citizen

I mean, if you want to have a hospital to do your bidding then why don't you go out and build one and staff it with your own resources?!?

I know some lawyer will pick this one up (and hope to grift a whole lot of stupid people along the way).

[onethatcares]

13. running out of space

on the counter at the convenience stores for "gofundmyfuneral" jars.

maybe she'll find a lawyer to sue the hospital for not supplying what she thinks should be done.

Sometimes I think Don Henley had that one right.

[jmowreader]

14. As you'd pretty much expect, he has died of COVID

If they’re talking about intubating you, you’re pretty much on your last legs anyway. Demanding dewormer instead of human meds didn’t help.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

15. Yep, intubation is a very bad omen.

Several people have survived after that drastic measure, of course, but the statistics are definitely worse for them compared to the sick who could keep their blood oxygen levels elevated without it.

The daughter of one of my sister's friends survived intubation, and later an ECMO machine (for several weeks) when intubation clearly wasn't enough for her anymore. The ECMO machine basically breathed for her instead, oxygenating her drawn blood within the machine (which also removed the CO2), before the blood was pumped back into her body.

Now she's breathing on her own, but she's STILL hospitalized! (She's been there since Spring!)

No telling if her lungs are damaged beyond repair.

There was a surgeon who had Covid in my area early last year, who had been a regular Marathon runner before contracting it. The local news showed him being released from the hospital, supposedly fully recovered, to the applause of the hospital staff. A few months later, he was dead from lasting lung damage! (And the local TV news wasn't there for that part of the story, of course, since it wasn't some feel-good blather.)

[UpInArms]

23. They are called the "talking dead"

Medics reveal horror of ‘talking dead’ Covid patients who are awake but can’t survive without machines due to damage

"Those are patients who are still awake right now, who are still conscious, so they are having these very difficult conversations with their doctors and their nurses, and facing that very tough reality that if that life-sustaining equipment that’s breathing for them is removed, as this hospital official described it for me, they could be dead in a matter of minutes," CNN's Polo Sandoval said.

Ryan Smith, Memorial's top clinical officer, doubled up as a nurse to get a sense of what was happening on his hospital's Covid ward.

"The first part of my shift, I had my first few patients look at me and say, ‘Don’t let me die," Smith said.

"As soon as you remove them from the devices they no longer made it," he explains. "To watch how quickly they dwindle down is the hardest thing for me."

He said when nurses do try weaning patients off oxygen that they "quickly got worse".

"The ‘talking dead’ didn’t make sense to me until I saw it firsthand," the doctor said.

"It’s how quickly they decompensate when they don’t have that oxygen."

He added: "The rest of the world can’t see what goes on behind these doors.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

24. I was surprised that my sister's friend's daughter...

... was still alive after intubation and ECMO, but she's supposedly breathing on her own again.

I've only talked to my sister about them, though, so I don't know the details very well.

The fact that she wasn't yet released from the hospital, many weeks after being to able to breathe again without help, makes me wonder if the doctors actually think her lungs are shot.

I don't really know those people at all, and my sister doesn't seem to stay updated about her friend's daughter as much anymore.

The daughter's husband died months ago from Covid, after he seemed to be far less ill than her. She was already on an ECMO machine while he was still breathing on his own! Then he rapidly got worse, and quickly died.

Both of them in their 30's, and neither of them were vaccinated!

[Corgigal]

16. His O2 level was in the 40s?

Omg family, why did you wait so long? His death is on you, and him..

[Buckeye_Democrat]

17. My sister-in-law's blood O2 was in the 30's...

... when it was measured by the EMT's who were called to her and my brother's house last November.

She had Covid for a couple weeks beforehand, and told my brother that she felt like she was finally recovering from it. Then on that early morning, after a night of sleep, she could barely speak or move as she told my brother that she needed to be hospitalized.

She died on Thanksgiving, a couple weeks later. Updates from her doctors seemed to change each day while she was hospitalized, flipping between encouraging and discouraging news until she was later intubated and passed away.

She infected my brother too, but he never got very ill. Maybe not as much of an initial dose of the virus for him? He mostly kept his distance from her after she tested positive, but he remained in the house with her the whole time.

[Corgigal]

19. I'm sorry for your lost.

We purchased those oxygen fingers indicators. I was ill for 2 week but never got under 95, and I was watching that because I knew if it started to go south then I’m going bad. I just was lucky and fought it out and lost 18 lbs. I was reading at the time people were coming to the hospital with O2 levels that aren’t compatible with life. I wasn’t even aware you can function at all that low. Before COVID I would have believed in the 80s were low.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

22. Time has to be a factor too, because prolonged...

... blood oxygen levels in the 80's can also be deadly.

I think my sister-in-law's blood oxygen was in the upper 80's and lower 90's after the EMT's and hospital put her on pure oxygen.

Then it dropped again later. Then it went back up. Then dropped again. And so on, until she finally passed away. Her heart failed, probably damaged from the earlier low oxygen levels.

What's ironic is that she owned a blood oxygen finger monitor, but she sold it during a garage sale last Summer!

My brother bought another one after she was hospitalized.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, btw.

[NickB79]

18. If the hospital was so evil, why did she take him back to the hospital the next day?

Stay home where those murderous doctors can't get your loved one and keep chugging horse dewormer.

[Maru Kitteh]

20. Looks like he's wearing a Nebraska Husker's cap and sweater.

And he looks like a Nebraska boy.

[Russian Spook]

21. I have an O2 blood oximeter. They are less than $20. I also have a BP monitor and a thermometer.

Everyone should have them. If I am not feeling well I message my VA doctor and can tell her how I feel plus my O2 level, pulse, BP, and temperature.

[Habitation]

25. Thoughts and prayers Rodger.

... Thoughts and prayers,

now come the medical bills