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Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:06 PM

My Trump supporting landlady just informed me that she has Covid and I feel guilty

So last night my landlady called me up and she sounded just awful. What she called about was fairly trivial but then she announced that she had been diagnosed with Covid. I was stunned. I flashed back to the last time I spoke with her before this. I had mentioned to Cula that I'd just gotten my second Covid vaccination and was feeling some mild side effects.

Cula replied that she was much older than me and in good health. She saw no need to get the vaccine and was in fact worried that some national mandate might come down forcing EVERYONE to get vaccinated. I think that such a mandate might be a good idea, but I tried to calm Cula's fears and I told her that I didn't think "they" would force her to get a vaccine against her will. I wish they would have.

I worry that given Cula's age, she may not pull through. I worry that her husband Bud who is also in his 80's and has cancer will catch Covid and his compromised immune system will fold on him.

I've been thinking and then saying it aloud that the republicans deserve to catch Covid, given how destructive the republican stance on Covid has been for our nation. Let them all die so that no one will be left to support Trump sez I. But Cula doesn't deserve the death sentence just because she's so deluded that she supports Trump. The county we live in is a real right wing stronghold and you can practically count all the Democrats who live here on the fingers of your hands. Cula's farming and ranching family have been staunch republicans from the dawn of time. I can't blame her for her Trump lawn sign when her family and friends and the community at large also support that SOB.

Cula has been beyond kind to me and her life has not been an easy one. She deserves better than this. There are many Cula's out there, I think. They have been brain washed by Fox, but inherently, they are not bad people and they don't deserve to die.

I need to be more careful about what I wish for.

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Reply My Trump supporting landlady just informed me that she has Covid and I feel guilty (Original post)
Mountain Mule Oct 13 OP
Skittles Oct 13 #1
DET Oct 14 #11
Skittles Oct 14 #13
Mountain Mule Oct 14 #25
Baitball Blogger Oct 13 #2
Mountain Mule Oct 13 #9
DanieRains Oct 13 #3
Coventina Oct 13 #4
Crunchy Frog Oct 13 #5
SoCalDavidS Oct 13 #6
herding cats Oct 13 #7
Mountain Mule Oct 14 #10
UTUSN Oct 13 #8
Skittles Oct 14 #16
UTUSN Oct 14 #23
ProfessorGAC Oct 14 #33
summer_in_TX Oct 14 #12
Skittles Oct 14 #14
summer_in_TX Oct 14 #34
Skittles Oct 14 #35
Mountain Mule Oct 14 #22
SunSeeker Oct 14 #15
diane in sf Oct 14 #17
Mountain Mule Oct 14 #20
orleans Oct 14 #18
Grins Oct 14 #19
Mountain Mule Oct 14 #24
Raine Oct 14 #21
ribrepin Oct 14 #26
lostnfound Oct 14 #27
irisblue Oct 14 #28
Mountain Mule Oct 14 #30
Shellback Squid Oct 14 #29
lagomorph777 Oct 14 #31
elias7 Oct 14 #32

Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

1. sorry, I am missing something

she and her husband with cancer are in their 80's - and she is a LANDLADY which I assumes means regular contact with people - but she refused to get the vaccine? I wonder how many people she gave Covid to. Sorry, it's fucking disgusting.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:06 AM

11. Yes, You're Missing Something

“she is a LANDLADY which I assumes means regular contact with people...” No, not at all. Landlords expect a regular check in the mail (or some form of deposit through our management company). I’ve never known anyone who actually goes door to door to collect rent. There is almost no reason to meet face to face with tenants anymore. There are plenty of reasons to despise antivaxxers, but this is not one of them.

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Response to DET (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:23 AM

13. I talk to my landlady quite frequently

problems from the polar vortex, for example...whatever

the woman was fucking selfish and disgusting, regardless

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Response to DET (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:40 AM

25. Yep - I just mail her a check each month

Besides she only rents out two properties - the one where I live and a cute little trailer across the fields from me. Guess how much she charges for a two bedroom house in hyper expensive Colorado? $400.00 "because people have to live." Greedy she is not.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

2. Is "Cula" feminine of "culo"?

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:52 PM

9. I have no idea

It's a very unusual name, but I've always felt it wasn't polite to question it.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:29 PM

3. Stupid Is As Stupid Does

RIP....

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 PM

4. No one can be a "good person" and support Trump.

"Good Germans" didn't support Hitler.

Deluded?

Maybe, but really they need to be responsible for their choices.

When you see a leader doing bad things, telling lies, advertising their future terrible behavior, you don't counter that with "my family has been Republican for generations."

No, if you have moral principles, you stand up and say, "That is wrong!"

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

5. I'm sorry. That's very sad, but ultimately we have to accept the fact that people have agency

in their lives. They make decisions, even if they are bad, or poorly informed ones, and they deal with the consequences of those decisions.

Some people really would rather die than get vaccinated, and we ultimately have to respect that that's their choice. And no, I don't think that forcibly holding them down and vaccinating them against their will is a valid solution.

This didn't happen because you wished it. It happened because they made a choice.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:36 PM

6. You May Get Lucky

She might fully recover and then you'll get to hear her tell you FOREVER how Covid was no big deal, and that her defeating it was proof that no vaccination was necessary and would have been and will always be, a waste of time.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:39 PM

7. It's hard when you know the person. I get that.

But, there's free and effective vaccines out there. These people are spreading the disease and killing people with their ignorance. I'm beyond frustrated with them at this point.

I've lost people to this virus and at the risk of sounding like a jerk, the ones I've lost once a vaccine was available who chose not to get vaccinated hurt my heart less than those before there was a way to avoid hospitalization and death. I'm saying this as a person who just last month lost a friend (53-yrs old no prior medical issues) who fell into the anti-vaccine peer group. It's hard to wrap your head around, but it was their choices. Just today I found out his peer group also killed at least 4 other elderly people during the delta outbreak. I'm gobsmacked.

None of us ever thought we'd be where we are right this moment, yet here we are. Watching people we know die from a virus when many (most?) of their deaths are preventable now. It's a horrible place to be in, that's for sure.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:01 AM

10. I have to agree with you and the others who responded to my post

It's just really hard when you know the person and they have been kind to you. I'm afraid that even if she hasn't killed herself, my landlady will kill her husband and God knows how many others that she has been in contact with.

Among his many other atrocities, Trump is responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of Americans and all the numbers are barely in at this point. I think he should be arrested and subjected to a Nuremburg type trial.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 11:51 PM

8. Your human empathy is admirable. But *respect* is included - respect for HER choices.

More to include is what HER choices might have for everybody else she has been in contact with.






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Response to UTUSN (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:55 AM

16. THANK YOU

how about respect for the hospital workers who have to take care of her now, ugh

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:24 AM

23. Thank YOU

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 03:38 PM

33. Had A Related Thought, Today

Kept hearing radio guys saying "we have to respect Kyrie's freedom to decide for himself...".
No I don't.
I have to ACKNOWLEDGE that he has the freedom to make his own decisions.
But, I don't have to respect the decision he makes.
I acknowledge he has the right to take a foolish position and make a stupid & selfish decision.
I don't respect it at all, and there's no right to be respected.
Respect is earned.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:09 AM

12. Thank you for this post, Mountain Mule.

PBS made a four-part documentary series last year that I highly recommend. "The Hacking of Your Mind."

It shows just how susceptible people are to the influence of others and to mob psychology.
Episodes:
1. Living on Auto-Pilot
2. Weapons of Influence
3. Us. vs. Them
4. The Wings of Angels

"Cula's farming and ranching family have been staunch republicans from the dawn of time. I can't blame her for her Trump lawn sign when her family and friends and the community at large also support that SOB."


The documentary shows how easy it is for any one of us to be unconsciously influenced by our family and friends. Then add in deliberate disinformation. You are right.

There's some groupthink we all tend to get into when we don't know specific individuals. But there are plenty of genuinely good caring people who are deluded and influenced by the group they hang out with.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:27 AM

14. oh please

I have a Trump sign up because all my friends love that hateful bastard? WTF.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:27 PM

34. Maybe watch the series?

It’ll make better sense then.

It’s one factor, sometimes multiple factors.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:31 PM

35. I'm just tired of being told I need to "understand" these people

I understand them all too well, which is why I DESPISE them

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:21 AM

22. Thanks so much for your reply!

I am definitely going to check out that PBS series. I don't want to hate my entire community, so I try to understand them instead. It can be hard, though.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:38 AM

15. You talked with her. She could have given you covid, and she didn't care.

She may have given her covid to others, including her cancer stricken husband.

Do not feel bad for her. Feel bad for the people she might have infected because of her stupidity and selfishness.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:01 AM

17. I hope you don't lose your home if Cula and her husband die or become incapacitated.

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Response to diane in sf (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:17 AM

20. Me too!

When I first moved in here her son was in line to inherit the property when his Mom passed. I asked him what he would do with the place and his immediate reply was, "Sell it." Yikes! I've lived here for almost 10 years and I am 70 years old. I really hope that I don't have to hit the road again, searching for a place to live. People who refuse to take the vaccine have no idea how their choice may impact others in all sorts of ways.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:07 AM

18. i'm sorry.

others here have pointed out it was HER choice.
and it was.
she made that decision based on whatever the fuck she was basing it on.
and yes, it is sad her husband might get it.
then, again, it is horrible that she would be so stupidly selfish to not do all she could to protect him from covid -- which includes protecting herself.
and i tend to think another poster was right when they said if she recovers she'll be talking about how covid isn't that bad, etc etc
but i also understand you care about her.
and that, my friend, makes us who *we* are (and why we've had this tendency to get vaccinated not only to protect ourselves but to protect others).

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:13 AM

19. This sentence...

This sentence:

“Cula's farming and ranching family have been staunch republicans from the dawn of time.”

It just bugs me.

Republicans have given farmers the back of their hand fir decades and yet they keep coming back for more; like they have ‘Battered women syndrome.’ Democrats have done more for farmers (and labor) than Republicans ever have. It was FDR who saved the American farmer when successive Republican administrations - purposely! - ignored them. And if Cula and family are in their 80’s they MUST know that, MUST know what farming was like in the 30’s and 40’s!

And how many farmers were crushed fiscally and emotionally by Trump and his China tariffs? In some cases losing their farms? Committing suicide…?

My favorite quote:

“Farm income has increased from less than $2 1⁄4 billion in 1932 to more than $18 billion in 1947. Never in the world were the farmers of any republic or any kingdom or any other country as prosperous as the farmers of the United States; and if they don’t do their duty by the Democratic Party, they are the most ungrateful people in the world!” - Harry Truman, DNC, 1948.

Yup.

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Response to Grins (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:34 AM

24. You are dead on

I come from a farming family back in Kentucky. Every last one of them who remained on the farm is a Trump supporter. I will never understand why. My folks back home are all good, salt of the earth type people. They go to church every Sunday and are active in their community. Yet they vote for Trump. It boggles my mind. I've had to block a couple of them on FB because I just can't stand their proselytizing.

Why on earth do they keep voting in Moscow Mitch McConnell? He's a billionaire who couldn't care less about small farmers such as themselves. I wish I knew the answer. If you ever find out why yourself, please let me know!

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 01:20 AM

21. You have a kind heart ❤

who sees something good in everybody.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 04:57 AM

26. An Distant acquaintance of mine recently died of covid

He was 51 and had health problems. He had been working from home since the pandemic started. He didn't believe in the vaccine and stayed home. He still got it. Part of me says "karma jackass" and another part of me says this is a tragedy. I contributed to his Go Fund Me. Call me stupid but he should be buried in dignity.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:06 AM

27. Congratulations. You have retained your humanity.

I’m sorry for the impending sadness. I hope she makes it.

So frustrating.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:10 AM

28. You start thinking about a fall back for an apartment yet?

You're going to need a place if she passes from Covid

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Response to irisblue (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:34 PM

30. That thought has indeed crossed my mind

If I have to leave here, I don't know what I'll do. The cost of housing in Colorado is horrific and even in my small town in the middle of nowhere, rents have easily doubled since I moved into this place. I can't think about it too much without getting a panic attack!

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 07:17 AM

29. she chose her path, you are kind to worry for them

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 12:38 PM

31. Your wishes didn't give her COVID. She gave it to herself.

She could have chosen (as you have) to listen to decent, intelligent people. She chose otherwise, and is suffering the inevitable result.

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Response to Mountain Mule (Original post)

Thu Oct 14, 2021, 03:08 PM

32. I work in an ER

So much of what we see is self-induced on some level, although Covid is different in that there is a lack of awareness that they are bringing not only their shortsightedness, self-destructiveness and relative stupidity into the ER for help, but also they bring the virus in abundant numbers, which is scary every time I see a known or suspected Covid patient.

However, curse as I may at human folly prior to entering the exam room, once I get in there, I can never get past the fact that they’re people, fellow human beings, and it is impossible to let any other feeling than empathy and a compulsion to help them out when I am face to face. To not see them as brothers and sisters means I would probably not be in the right line of work.

I would not wish Covid or death upon anyone, and I resonate with what you say about Cula. In my anger and my fear, I might think they deserve what they get, but once it is personalized to the level you and I are speaking of, other factors, such as a heartfelt altruistic sense does kick in and i feel mostly sadness for them…

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