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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:35 AM Oct 2021

Covid football stadium boom not materializing



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BY TYLER WEYANT

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FUMBLE — The No. 3 and No. 4 college football teams in the country had just ended their nationally televised game in Iowa City. Tens of thousands of screaming, and perhaps intoxicated, students rushed the field. A University of Iowa epidemiologist — wearing blue and white thanks to her Pennsylvania upbringing — watched from her basement and worried.

“It looked like an outdoor super spreader event,” Christine Petersen said of the end of Saturday’s Penn State-Iowa game. “I thought I was watching it.”

Iowa Hawkeyes fans storm the field after the matchup against the Penn State Nittany Lions at Kinnick Stadium on Oct. 9 in Iowa City, Iowa.
Iowa Hawkeyes fans storm the field after the matchup against the Penn State Nittany Lions at Kinnick Stadium on Oct. 9 in Iowa City, Iowa. | Matthew Holst/Getty Images

Yet the early data she’s examined hasn’t shown much of an effect at all. The University of Iowa has been doing dorm-sewage testing since last spring. Although there have been some positive cases this season, tests haven’t registered any severe spikes.

In a football season that’s seen its fair share of crazy events ( Alabama loses! Student journalists watching practices from atop tall buildings! Fake injuries!), one of the craziest may be what hasn’t occurred: the fierce spread of Covid driven by college football that was predicted by experts when the season began.

The headlines were clear. CNN: “College football fans and traditions are back, even with Covid-19 still here.” The AP: “Crowded stadiums, pandemic create combustible mix this fall.” NBC News: “College football season is here. And so is the delta variant.” Um, POLITICO: The newsletter you are reading right now, on Sept. 8, said, “Public health officials fear packed stadiums, raucous tailgate parties and crowded bars could be tinder for the Delta variant.”

And now that we’re a month-plus into the season? “We’re not seeing it,” Petersen said. “You would catch population spikes, and there is no spike happening.”

A University of Florida release this week was blunt: “So far, COVID-19 spikes from college football games haven’t materialized,” with UF epidemiologist Cindy Prins noting “some of these outdoor events really are not the super spreader events that people have worried they’re going to be.”

The low transmission rate on football Saturdays this fall adds to the growing data showing that outdoor activities are safer. Study after study has assessed case spread at outdoor events to be significantly lower than at indoor events. Lollapalooza, the Chicago music festival, saw thousands attend, fully vaccinated, with few reported cases afterward.

Outdoor events that have seen large spreads of Covid, such as the Sturgis Motorcycle rally earlier this year, have various additional factors that play into the spread, such as large unvaccinated populations attending , plus lots of indoor drinking at bars.

Indoor parties on campus are leading to outbreaks at the University of Iowa, Petersen said.

. . .

Most important, the pandemic is unlikely to be over when the national championship trophy is awarded in early 2022. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at the Baylor College of Medicine, says the relationship between Covid and college football is still a bit murky.

“Could SEC games have contributed to the terrible Delta surge in the South in September and early October? I suppose that’s possible,” Hotez wrote in an email. “Was it lessened by high vaccination coverage among the educated and students at major universities?

“I still think we’ll see a fifth wave as we head into November-December. So we’re not done.”

Welcome to POLITICO Nightly. Reach out with news, tips and ideas for us at nightly@politico.com. Or contact tonight’s author at tweyant@politico.com or on Twitter at @tweyant.''











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Covid football stadium boom not materializing (Original Post) empedocles Oct 2021 OP
This is good news! Doc Sportello Oct 2021 #1
Preponderance of evidence that covid rarely spreads outdoors jcgoldie Oct 2021 #2
The Cassandra Crew is going to froth at this one greenjar_01 Oct 2021 #3
Sep, 4, 2021 I went to the Navy- Marshall football game in Annapolis, I tested COVID + Sep. 6th Saboburns Oct 2021 #4
Agree. Keep the guards up. empedocles Oct 2021 #8
Thank you for telling your experience. StarryNite Oct 2021 #11
Yes, very good news, and let's hope it holds into winter. Hortensis Oct 2021 #5
Agree. Hope it holds into winter past flu season. empedocles Oct 2021 #7
Flu season! I'm afraid for our part of rural GA. Vax rates are bad. nt Hortensis Oct 2021 #9
Really good news. Glad to see this. Celerity Oct 2021 #6
We knew this from the experience of Major League Tomconroy Oct 2021 #10
Weather matters, for that game it was sunny with a steady breeze Amishman Oct 2021 #12
More proof that the vaccines work.. Patton French Oct 2021 #13
4 Months Ago-79% of College Educated Had Received at Least 1 Vaccination Stallion Oct 2021 #14
Thats great, though I wonder about some of the southern college students? empedocles Oct 2021 #18
Our resident clout chasers were so sure it would. BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #15
We attended a college football game at my son's college with a full stadium helpisontheway Oct 2021 #16
What's the logic behind restaurants with "outdoor" seating areas... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #17
I think many pointed that out at President Obama's birthday bash. BlackSkimmer Oct 2021 #20
An open-air gazebo (something to keep the rain and mist off the diners)... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #21
I haven't been anywhere, am debating seeing the Stones in Atl, but it's the stadium roof likely won' themaguffin Oct 2021 #19

Doc Sportello

(7,522 posts)
1. This is good news!
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:04 AM
Oct 2021

Let's celebrate and hope it is a continuing trend made possible by the diligence of the Biden administration and the work of health professionals. Yes, let's add the caveats but we need more good news going forward.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
2. Preponderance of evidence that covid rarely spreads outdoors
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:07 AM
Oct 2021

Got lambasted here a month ago for making that argument based on the study done on those in attendance at Lollapalooza Chicago which was referenced in this article. Evidence from outdoor sporting events gives further credence ... Fire away but you cant be the party that follows the science and then ignore all evidence that outdoor events pose extremely low threat of spreading the virus.

Saboburns

(2,807 posts)
4. Sep, 4, 2021 I went to the Navy- Marshall football game in Annapolis, I tested COVID + Sep. 6th
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:19 AM
Oct 2021

Of course I had Moderna vax x 2, but suffered 5 days of symptoms including body aches, sneezing, runny nose, dry cough, loss of smell and taste, severe fatigue, but luckily no fever and my lungs were not affected. Just sort of like a severe head cold. I learned I don't want to face this virus unvaccinated (shudder). COVID is a serious killer.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I caught COVID at a college football game. We are still certainly in the middle of a pandemic so don't let your guard down like I did. Be safe y'all.

StarryNite

(9,444 posts)
11. Thank you for telling your experience.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:50 AM
Oct 2021

Too many people are getting the wrong idea that we can go back to normal. Thankfully you were vaccinated.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Yes, very good news, and let's hope it holds into winter.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:32 AM
Oct 2021

Many of those attending are now vaccinated, and that's no doubt part of it, as well as the decline in cases in general from vaccination. Many of the workplace mandates aren't yet fully in effect but will be.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
7. Agree. Hope it holds into winter past flu season.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:35 AM
Oct 2021

The South outbreak may be related to vaccination rates.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
10. We knew this from the experience of Major League
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:49 AM
Oct 2021

Baseball all summer long. But many people still won't believe it

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
12. Weather matters, for that game it was sunny with a steady breeze
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 12:04 PM
Oct 2021

UV destroys the virus and a decent wind keeps turning over the air

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
16. We attended a college football game at my son's college with a full stadium
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 04:25 PM
Oct 2021

of about 22,000. 99% of the people there did not have a mask. We wore our KN95 masks.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. What's the logic behind restaurants with "outdoor" seating areas...
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 04:30 PM
Oct 2021

... that are ACTUALLY fully-enclosed party-tents. It's unclear why this is fooling people.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
20. I think many pointed that out at President Obama's birthday bash.
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 04:50 PM
Oct 2021

I don’t get how a tent is “outside”.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. An open-air gazebo (something to keep the rain and mist off the diners)...
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 04:52 PM
Oct 2021

... that makes sense. Something to keep the leaves and bird droppings out of the food... fine. But enclosed is enclosed.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
19. I haven't been anywhere, am debating seeing the Stones in Atl, but it's the stadium roof likely won'
Fri Oct 15, 2021, 04:38 PM
Oct 2021

be open, so I don't know what to think it.

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