COVID Vaccine Are poor injection techniques causing blood clots and myocarditis?

[Edim]

"Could receiving your COVID vaccine without aspiration be the cause of the vaccine side effects that we are seeing. In this video I talk about how the COVID vaccine is being administered. Could the lack of aspiration prior to injection account for the side effects that we are seeing. I present 2 studies that suggest that this is possible. A randomized clinical trial could easily sort this out given the number of COVID vaccines that are being given. I suspect due to the plausibility that aspiration is important that some countries are going to change their recommendation for how the COVID vaccine is administered."

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[JohnSJ]

1. Unlikely. The vaccines are given by Intramuscular injection

[Crunchy Frog]

3. I believe they're talking about taking steps to make sure that it doesn't inadvertantly

get into the bloodstream.

[JohnSJ]

5. Missing the Deltoid muscle again would be very unlikely

[Crunchy Frog]

9. Does the muscle have blood vessels in it?

[JohnSJ]

13. Yes, but with all the number of medicinal vaccines and other medicinals given intramuscularly, if it

happens it has to be extremely rare

The possible clotting SE I think they speculate are due to a vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia. I am not sure if they have speculated on the possible myocarditis cause, but it is an inflammatory triggered process in the heart that I believe they have said most have recovered from.

There is not way a double blind study will be done this

[womanofthehills]

20. Deltoid muscle is sometimes missed in flu shots

SIRVA - missing Delta muscle- many have claimed compensation from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program for this condition.

Shoulder injury related to vaccine administration (SIRVA) is a preventable occurrence caused by the injection of a vaccine into the shoulder capsule rather than the deltoid muscle. As a result, inflammation of the shoulder structures causes patients to experience pain, a decreased range of motion, and a decreased quality of life. Physicians can mitigate SIRVA and other injection site events by refreshing their knowledge of and adopting proper landmarking and injection technique. Awareness is crucial to identifying patients who are displaying signs of this injury so they can access treatment in a timely manner. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347325

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[hlthe2b]

2. I'd lke to know who is (what HCWs) are administering without aspirating?

The technique has been taught in every mass clinic I've participated in--(I might add, ESPECIALLY for volunteering physicians who haven't administered much of anything in years--LOL... ) but some nurses are out of practice too. As I have been one of the trainers in some of those clinics, I have to say that the group that I had the LEAST issues with was with volunteering veterinarians. Not one of them failed to administer precisely at the target muscle, but likewise to aspirate and with most patients experiencing little to no pain. I guess their experience with often "moving targets" makes them very practiced.

[Edim]

8. From CDC, for intramuscular injections

"Aspiration before injection of vaccines or toxoids (i.e., pulling back on the syringe plunger after needle insertion but before injection) is not necessary because no large blood vessels are present at the recommended injection sites, and a process that includes aspiration might be more painful for infants"

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-recs/general-recs/administration.html

[hlthe2b]

10. That is a general statement. It is still recommended because there is variabiity in vessel location

for individuals--even in the low vascular site for which this vaccine is delivered. There are also three different vaccines and thus the potential for inadvertent vascular injection which has been well documented to increase risk of anaphylaxis and toxicity-- not to mention the potential to reduce the immune response resulting if inadvertent vessel injection occurs, is paramount. The statement from ACIP you posted is NOT specific to COVID-19 vaccine nor consistent with the training being provided nationwide nor the insert information from manufacturers. And if you think you are on solid ground going AGAINST the manufacturer's guidelines, I'd suggest you increase your liability coverage (if you are a HCW).

I'm not necessarily agreeing that this has anything to do with myocarditis or other issues as purported by the video--in fact, I don't, but it is STILL poor technique. Oh, and btw, WHO conducted the largest worldwide study of risks associated with failure to aspirate and likewise concluded it should STILL be done--especially with COVID-19 vaccines--especially those using conventional production measures which can include additives that increase anaphylaxis risk--but not limited to those.

So, while that mention on CDC's site exists, it is important to note that the "CDC bible of vaccine administration"-- the so-called "pink book:" (Atkinson W, Hamborsky J, McIntyre L, et al. : The Pink Book. 10th ed. 2nd printing ed. Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases. Washington DC: Public Health Foundation: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.2008) has NEVER CHANGED ITS RECOMMENDATION.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. Anything's Possible, But...

...I was on an injectable med for MS for nearly 20 years. Every other day, so I probably gave myself 3,500 injections.
I'm a light year from being an expert but I used the same size needle, injecting pretty much the same volume of liquid for thousands of times.
And, I'm one of a few hundred thousand who used that med.
If injection technique caused these issues, even though a different serum, it seems like people like me would have experienced such events.
I kept up on the med for a long time and don't recall ever seeing an alert regarding injection technique.

[JohnSJ]

6. +++

[TreasonousBastard]

7. Same here with insulin. Twice a day for years, now down to...

once a day.

Never heard a word about how to inject.

[JohnSJ]

12. Insulin is administered subcutaneously, not intramuscularly

[retread]

11. Why not aspirate? It cause no harm and takes seconds.Why not err on the side of caution?

[LizBeth]

14. They have discarded the myocarditis claim.

[Deep State Witch]

15. Larger People Need Bigger Needles

I also saw a study out of NZ recently that said that people with larger arms need to have a 38mm needle instead of the usual 25mm needle to get the vaccine into the muscle. I don't know what my two shots were, but I'm betting that they were 25mm. (I'm large, especially in my upper arms.) You can bet I'm going to be asking for larger needles when I get my booster!

https://www.teaomaori.news/why-larger-arms-need-longer-needle-covid-19-vaccine

[Maru Kitteh]

16. Adults over 153 lbs should have a 1.5in needle for IM injections. nt

[cadoman]

18. how about we stop supporting the delusion that there are side effects...

...in any meaningful sense of the word? The vaccines are safe and effective.

[womanofthehills]

19. FDA - delays recommending Moderna for kids - myocarditis risks

FDA Delays Moderna Covid-19 Vaccine for Adolescents to Review Rare Myocarditis Side Effect

Agency holds off decision on expanding use of shot to 12-to-17-year-olds while it looks into risk of rare heart condition..

The Food and Drug Administration is delaying a decision on authorizing Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 vaccine for adolescents to assess whether the shot may lead to heightened risk of a rare inflammatory heart condition, according to people familiar with the matter

div]After four Nordic countries strengthened their stances against giving Moderna vaccines to younger adults last week, the FDA has been taking another look at the risk of the condition, known as myocarditis, among younger men who took Moderna’s vaccine, especially compared with those who received the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE , the people said. https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-delays-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-for-adolescents-to-review-rare-myocarditis-side-effect-11634315159