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Can I say something against a union here? (Original Post)
El Supremo
Oct 2021
OP
ShazamIam
(2,570 posts)1. You mean the ones demanding the right to be a public menance?
JHB
(37,159 posts)2. The one whose members are these people?
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)3. I didn't say that.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)4. I'll accept it, but you're on a short lease, Supremo! (nt)
Celerity
(43,333 posts)5. Why do police unions talk and act like the Mafia? How can we stop them?
Police unions not only keep bad cops on the force but threaten and bully any foes. Are this week's protests finally a turning point?
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/police-unions-defend-brutality-george-floyd-protests-20200607.html
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/police-unions-defend-brutality-george-floyd-protests-20200607.html
The almost unshakable influence of police unions in American civic life, and especially in big cities, has been building at least a half-century mainly since the aftermath of urban unrest in the 1960s and 70s but the six years since the Black Lives Matter movement emerged from the ashes of Ferguson, Mo., have finally brought the issue into sharper focus.
Not only is the public now seeing cell phone videos of police brutality, but its learning that many of these cops have been the subject of multiple complaints yet protected by union rules or arbitration from any meaningful discipline. Whats more, the mild reforms from Americas first black president, Barack Obama, the election of progressive mayors and prosecutors like Philadelphias Larry Krasner, and the rise of Donald Trump endorsed in 2016 by many of these unions has heightened a paranoid style and an embrace of authoritarianism by cop-union leaders.
A quick flyover of America reveals the problem:
In Minneapolis, amid the birth of Black Lives Matter and their citys appointment of a reform-minded chief, the local police union in 2015 elected a new president, Lt. Bob Kroll, even though hes the subject of 29 complaints, was accused in a lawsuit by black officers including the current top cop of promoting a hostile work environment (wearing a biker patch linked to white supremacy), and once boasted, I was involved in three shootings myself, and not one of them has bothered me. Kroll was a featured speaker at an October 2019 Trump rally in which he blamed Obama for oppression of police and praised the current president who put the handcuffs on the criminals instead of [on] us. Eight months later, after the handcuffed Floyd died under the knee of a Minneapolis cop, Kroll doubled down, writing in a letter to members that the citizens protesting his death are a terrorist organization.
In New York City, where online watchers have been shocked this week by the images of a police riot, with officers shoving, striking, and abusing citizens, and using the excuse of an ill-advised curfew to arrest thousands of peaceful demonstrators, maybe viewers would be less surprised if they knew the head of NYCs Sergeants Benevolent Association had not so benevolently tweeted in February at Mayor Bill de Blasio that the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! When de Blasios adult daughter was arrested at a protest this week a curious enough event that same union event tweeted out her address, or doxxing, as kids today like to call it. Closer to home in Delaware County, a police sergeant in the county seat of Media and vice president of the county police union is reportedly on administrative leave after a bizarre episode with a local shopkeeper who voiced support on Facebook for Black Lives Matter, only to see Sgt. Robert Skippy Carroll reply from the official FOP account: If you choose to speak out against the police or our members, we will do everything in our power to not support your business, later adding on his own personal Facebook page, Try us. Well destroy you.
Not only is the public now seeing cell phone videos of police brutality, but its learning that many of these cops have been the subject of multiple complaints yet protected by union rules or arbitration from any meaningful discipline. Whats more, the mild reforms from Americas first black president, Barack Obama, the election of progressive mayors and prosecutors like Philadelphias Larry Krasner, and the rise of Donald Trump endorsed in 2016 by many of these unions has heightened a paranoid style and an embrace of authoritarianism by cop-union leaders.
A quick flyover of America reveals the problem:
In Minneapolis, amid the birth of Black Lives Matter and their citys appointment of a reform-minded chief, the local police union in 2015 elected a new president, Lt. Bob Kroll, even though hes the subject of 29 complaints, was accused in a lawsuit by black officers including the current top cop of promoting a hostile work environment (wearing a biker patch linked to white supremacy), and once boasted, I was involved in three shootings myself, and not one of them has bothered me. Kroll was a featured speaker at an October 2019 Trump rally in which he blamed Obama for oppression of police and praised the current president who put the handcuffs on the criminals instead of [on] us. Eight months later, after the handcuffed Floyd died under the knee of a Minneapolis cop, Kroll doubled down, writing in a letter to members that the citizens protesting his death are a terrorist organization.
In New York City, where online watchers have been shocked this week by the images of a police riot, with officers shoving, striking, and abusing citizens, and using the excuse of an ill-advised curfew to arrest thousands of peaceful demonstrators, maybe viewers would be less surprised if they knew the head of NYCs Sergeants Benevolent Association had not so benevolently tweeted in February at Mayor Bill de Blasio that the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! When de Blasios adult daughter was arrested at a protest this week a curious enough event that same union event tweeted out her address, or doxxing, as kids today like to call it. Closer to home in Delaware County, a police sergeant in the county seat of Media and vice president of the county police union is reportedly on administrative leave after a bizarre episode with a local shopkeeper who voiced support on Facebook for Black Lives Matter, only to see Sgt. Robert Skippy Carroll reply from the official FOP account: If you choose to speak out against the police or our members, we will do everything in our power to not support your business, later adding on his own personal Facebook page, Try us. Well destroy you.
msongs
(67,401 posts)6. when one of a union's primary purposes is to protect criminals in its ranks.... nt
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)7. To protect and serve (except neither protect nor serve). NT
UTUSN
(70,684 posts)8. Since I have no clue which one the OP refers to, I'll re-post about the Border Patrol
The ones who go on the Faux Propaganda Network constantly, denigrating BIDEN and demanding Drumpf policies?
Raises questions:
* Government employees can't strike, correct?
* Does the Hatch Act apply to them or some other regulation like Chain of Command in the military?
* Are these government employees who are constantly on wingnut media outlets doing it during working hours?