Now Manchin is gunning for the Child Tax Credit

[Nevilledog]

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Axios
@axios
NEW: Sen. Manchin has told the White House the child tax credit must include a firm work requirement and family income cap in the $60k range, Axios has learned.

These demands would dramatically weaken one of Biden's signature programs.
Sen. Joe Manchin
Manchin draws his red lines on the child tax credit
Manchin’s demands would dramatically weaken one of President Biden’s signature programs to help working families.
axios.com
3:35 PM · Oct 17, 2021

https://www.axios.com/scoop-manchins-red-lines-f9f5f7f7-56d8-4bf6-8345-13abb75ef03f.html


Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has told the White House the child tax credit must include a firm work requirement and family income cap in the $60,000 range, people familiar with the matter tell Axios.

Why it matters: While Manchin’s demands would dramatically weaken one of President Biden’s signature programs to help working families, they also would reduce the package’s overall costs.

That would make it easier for the pivotal senator to support a final package, potentially higher than Manchin's previous $1.5 trillion top line.

At the same time, progressives would have a hard time accepting the changes Manchin is demanding.

They'd also fundamentally alter a program the president funded for one year in the $1.9 COVID-19 relief package passed in March.

Manchin's office declined to comment on Axios' report.

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[Blaukraut]

1. This guy is drunk on his own power. n/t

[Mad_Machine76]

30. He (and Sinema)

are beginning to believe/buy their own hype.

[mucifer]

2. he's evil

[Trueblue1968]

71. i agree with you, he's EVIL as in Anti-Christ EVIL. Thanks for posting what i've been thinking

[elleng]

3. F him, and his 'power.'

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Gets worse every damn day; congrats if Prez Joe can survive.

[JohnSJ]

6. I think you mean "if" instead of "of", and Biden will get us through this, and Manchin's games

[elleng]

19. Yes, of course, 'if.'

HUGE wishes that Joe B will get us through this.

[JohnSJ]

35. Of course

[JohnSJ]

4. Maybe 60K in WV is fine for WV, but it sure would not apply to other places

[Hortensis]

13. It's about median U.S. income and considered within the middle class

income range for couples with 2-3+ children in money terms, albeit at the low end for families and lavish for singles. I'm among those who feel middle class is best defined by the lifestyle people can afford, but by that measure $60K is still low middle class for most American families.

WaPo: Former vice president Joe Biden headed up a Middle Class Task Force, which put out a report in 2010 classifying middle class like this: “Middle-class families are defined by their aspirations more than their income .?.?.[they] aspire to homeownership, a car, college education for their children, health and retirement security and occasional family vacations.”

[Wounded Bear]

23. The original goal, though, was to include the entire middle classe in this...

not just the bottom tier.

[Walleye]

31. They would means test Social Security if they could get away with it.

The republican party is against equality that’s all there is to it

[wellst0nev0ter]

16. Basically this

Link to tweet

[Hortensis]

36. Basically as in ridiculous? We can object to the cap without

misrepresenting the situation. (If we couldn't, what would that mean?)

[wellst0nev0ter]

45. What's being represented

Enlighten me.

[Hortensis]

53. $60,000 would include roughly 40% of family households.

The millions in that 40% aren't exactly nothing -- they're the ones we need to be most concerned about because they're most in need of the help we're creating.

People with higher incomes who live where living costs are too high for them are in a better position. They at least usually have various options they can take on their own for lowering them, including moving farther out and making a longer commute.

I want what we're going for, which enriches the entire middle class and is about a lot more than just saving higher-income people from having to move to smaller apartments, and trying to encourage political support among the affluent who don't need stimulus and child credit money, but we can accept far less if we have to and still do enormous good for our nation.

[dsc]

55. actually it wouldn't since he also wants to require work

(ie income from a W2) in order to qualify at all. That will kick many out at the lowest end.

[Demsrule86]

59. It is better than getting nothing. We do not have the power to pass that bill as it currently exist

Let's work hard to change that in 22 and 24 by electing more Democrats. In the meantime, pass what we can get and send help to the American people. It will act much as the ACA did and make folks realize what is possible.

[Bettie]

68. So, we take out climate provisions

then tell middle class families that many of them are "too rich" to continue to get the child tax credit...of course, there will be no lowering of prescription costs, certainly no taxation of rich people, and after they give in to Manchin on the first two and Sinema on the second, both will move the goalposts until it is a bill offering, well, nothing.

Then, everyone blames the progressives because they asked for things that would help non-rich people, while thanking Manchin/Sinema for allowing something to pass.

[Hortensis]

64. Not many because they have to have income to be taxed.

I see problems if nonworking parents with children at home were required to work, and particularly where there were childcare issues. Bureaucratic hoops to leap through.

And above all problems with letting the states determine; we all know some red state governments would abuse the power if they could.

Done properly, though, it'd stll be incredibly better than no child tax credit for the vast majority. With the burden on the government to prove lack of qualification, very few unjustly would be unjustly denied.

I'm really speaking to those who insist these terms would be an outrageous loss that's as bad as nothing. We never expected to get the full amount proposed. IF this turns out to be the best we can get, and we should be able to negotiate somewhat more, it's still a major lifeline for millions and an extremely welcome hand up for many millions more of those who really need it.

And let's never forget, the Republican version is to shift the tax burden down onto the shoulders of all these people to serve the wealthy classes. Someone's going to win next November, and it has to be us.

[BlueTsunami2018]

5. He truly is the greatest of the greats.

Such an incredible Democrat and patriot. The best there ever was.

[Haggard Celine]

18. I'm so glad he's a Democrat!

Just think what a Republican Joe Manchin would be like.

[Tommymac]

32. Second string bench warmer at best..

He'd be a sheep among wolves.

That is why he is remaining a Democrat - he knows he can get the attention and the power.

As a rethug he would be relegated to the back of the room.

[temporary311]

7. I think its time for murmurs of an

investigation into the price hiking of epipens to start spreading.

[Eliot Rosewater]

8. Work requirement says the coal millionaire. I give up, bye...

I'm done.

[Walleye]

9. Why? This doesn't protect his coal empire in anyway

[Haggard Celine]

26. He's afraid that people won't care to work for his.buddies'

slave wages if they get a break on their taxes. It's not just about his own businesses; Manchin is also looking out for his wealthy contributors. He and Sinema are the go-to Senators for the 1% these days. They will be until the Republicans regain control.

[Walleye]

29. This is so sad. After we worked so hard for the election and then went through so much misery after

I think the slogan for 2021 should be, “after what we’ve been through?”

[questionseverything]

10. Right now the income limit is $150,000 per couple

Or 75 grand a piece

To change the income cap to sixty grand per family is a huge cut…..hurting many middle class families

So manchin is reducing a program that has lifted 40% of the children in poverty out of poverty

Why do you hate children senator?

[MichMan]

11. Reducing it to $60k will not reduce lifting any children out of poverty

[questionseverything]

12. The work requirement will though stop children from being lifted out of poverty

Lowering the cap from $150,000 to $60,000 will affect kids who had gotten a short chance to live rather than survive

[Demsrule86]

60. That is very true.

[Hortensis]

37. This. An additional $250-300/mo check for @40% of American workers?!

Huge. I hope we'll be able to negotiate that cap up a bit, but this would still be a huge boost for the households that need it.

[Celerity]

66. +1 It is a DIRECT attack on the middle class, ffs.

[dchill]

14. President Manchin.

[sarcasmo]

17. Evil to be Evil, like the GOP.

[chowder66]

20. Seems like the Republicans are dictating this to him and he's doing their bidding.

[EndlessWire]

21. I think the last month

pretty much shows what Manchin is about. He is an obstructionist who is opposed to Biden's administration. Because the majority is marginal, he is able to act in this position, and control the agenda for himself. He is acting just like an opposition leader who will say no to anything. He is fast becoming the most disliked Democrat, except that the GOP certainly likes working with him. Doesn't his state have anyone living there affected by his shenanigans? Now he is taking shots at kids...

[a kennedy]

22. I totally despise this piece of shot. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[Wounded Bear]

24. If he gets a fucking penny from the DSCC this cycle it will be a travesty...

[Buckeye_Democrat]

25. Manchin has voted against Democratic majorities...

... more than anyone else in Congress last year, 38.5% of the time. Sinema was 2nd worst, at 33.1%.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-voting-rights-government-and-politics-c65d4424c200ede56fc31db42e28e084

And among Democrats in Congress who voted in agreement with Trump, Manchin and Sinema are the worst current Democratic members again. Only Heidi Heitkamp (ND) and Joe Donnelly (IN) voted more in agreement with Trump than they did, but they both LOST their reelection efforts in 2018.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/


I'm not sure what they're hoping to accomplish. Maybe they don't care about getting re-elected by their Democratic voters again?

[Tommymac]

27. What's the point of controlling the Senate if Manchin keeps destroying Biden's Programs?

Serious question.

[Hoyt]

34. Majority Leader, Committee Chairpersons, even oversight of Capitol police,

votes to affirm Biden appointments, etc.

But, I get the frustration.

[Solly Mack]

28. He has no clue how those not millionaires live.

Sure, he can point to a lot of poverty in his home state but he couldn't tell you how they live. How they get by. Not without resorting to stereotypes, anyway.

It's one thing to point to examples of poverty. It's another to understand it - the causes, how it becomes generational, what it does to a person. Who they actually are and how they actually live from day to day - the things they need they have to go without because they can't afford all the necessities. What they need to overcome poverty.

A low-paying, back-breaking, no benefits "job" ain't the answer to poverty.

[questionseverything]

38. A shitty job is easier to take when the government subsidizes the cost of raising kids

Which is what Biden is trying to

Continue

[Solly Mack]

49. A lot easier to endure.

Because money is freed to go to some of those neglected necessities.

[onecaliberal]

41. There are people in his state who still don't have indoor plumbing.

[Solly Mack]

51. And there's no good reason for that.

[onecaliberal]

52. None whatsoever.

[Corgigal]

33. Has this man ever driven through

West Virginia because I did a few years back. Huntington, in fact.
You really need to do better, all of the politicians that are suppose to help those people. For shame.

[Demsrule86]

61. And those folks are not making 60,000 and will still receive the child credit...

even if what Manchin wants happens...and let's face it. This bill has no chance without compromise.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. They all have their comeupance someday.

And we well relish the moment when it's Manchin's turn.

[Demsrule86]

62. Are you kidding? Manchin's loss mean the loss of a much needed Senate seat that we will never be

able to replace with a Democrat for most likely decades. I will not celebrate that.

[Baitball Blogger]

63. You don't know what's going to happen next.

We need to do better in other states, and he will become irrelevant.

[onecaliberal]

40. The piece of shit is just throwing in as many poison pills as he can think of.

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It’s all about killing the bill for Nancy and then blame it on the progressive caucus. This is the republicans plan. They have paid off Manchin and sinema.

[durablend]

57. Yup, that's the plan

Water it down to nothing then either the progressives turn it down or he votes against it anyway (like the good Republican he is)

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Family income cap of 60K? AYFKM?

My oldest is a single mom who makes a little over 60K but between medical expenses, the cost of housing and the cost of non-sketch daycare - it's not like she's living in luxury. They live in a small, safe but VERY modest apartment.

Fucking asshole.

[vercetti2021]

43. Hes just trying to kill the bill now

Can we fucking please stop with the bullshit? Yeah great we can get judges and shit through. But fuck we can't get a simple bill or anything meaningful done because of him and the other ditzy one from Arizona. They are NOT Democrats. They are GQP in sheeps clothing

[Celerity]

67. +1 When (I am afraid it is when, not if) we cave to him on this he will simply move to the next

part of BBB and demand it be slashed or removed totally. Sinema will wetwork the parts Coal Joe is not putting to the sword.

They are a tag team of 2022 and 2024 Dem election chances reduction.

[dsc]

44. Since this would presumedly be before having to pay health care premiums

in NC this would mean for a family living on one teaching salary in Raleigh. A teacher in Raleigh NC would make 61k after 12 years if she got national board certified. If she had her masters degree in 2013 then she would be making another 6k. Sounds OK so far. But in NC we only provide insurance to the teacher (a free 70/30 policy or a $600 per year 80/20 policy). If that teacher insures her children and spouse, that is a whopping 7200 off the top for the 70/30 or 8400 for the 80/20 So we are now down to 53,800 or 52600. The average apartment rental in raleigh is 1400 a month, the median is somewhere between 1,001 and 1,500. So let's call it 1250. The 30% rule suggests that this family could pay around 1300 a month for rent, so they barely make it. There is no planet on which this family is too rich to get this credit.

[roamer65]

46. 52-48

That’s what we basically have right now.

[mvd]

47. So screw the middle class

And screw those who are unemployed through no fault of their own. Please, Mr. President, draw your own line and say these changes are off limits.

[Bettie]

48. And after he destroys that one

he will find another thing he doesn't like, then another, until the bill no longer exists at all.

That's the plan.

[Elessar Zappa]

54. He's a hostage taker

and should be treated as such. I’m so sick of his bullshit.

[dlk]

50. Manchin is clearly removed from the everyday reality of many parents

He has no idea how life works for the many parents of developmentally disabled and chronically ill children. These are parents who can’t work due to the high demands of caring for their children. They don’t have child care options, yet Manchin wants to penalize them. Why does he resent struggling parents so much?

[Bettie]

56. Heck, ordinary, garden variety children

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are a lot of work, if you plan to raise them well. Add in special needs and it is insanely difficult.

[dlk]

70. Yes, & the extra challenges of special needs children for millions of parents

Are invisible to Manchin. He really doesn’t care.

[Bettie]

72. I doubt he cares at all about

"ordinary" people, well, in an election year he sort-of pretends to care, but honestly, as long as the cash is coming into his bank account, he's happy enough.

[dlk]

73. It's pretty obvious

Manchin couldn’t care less, never mind many such parents are his constituents (and voters). He lives in a rarified world. How nice.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

58. Ugh, now he's going after our kids. "You're a mean one, Mr. Manchin,

You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Manchin.

You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Mr. Manchin.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Manchin.

I wouldn't touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

You're a vile one, Mr. Manchin.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Manchin.

Given the choice between the two of you
I'd take the seasick crockodile.

You're a foul one, Mr. Manchin.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your soul is full of gunk.
Mr. Manchin.

The three words that best describe you,
are as follows, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."

You nauseate me, Mr. Manchin.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You're a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Manchin.

You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool sandwich
With arsenic sauce."

[mvd]

65. Brilliant

Good job

[Buckeye_Democrat]

69. Remind's me of SNL's Aidy Bryant...

... when she recently imitated Manchin.



Bryant, as Manchin: "But if we give children too much leeway, how are they gonna get 'em to work in the mines, you know? We need their tiny hands to dig! All the big pieces of coal are gone. We need the little kid fingers to gather the little pieces."