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irisblue

(32,930 posts)
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:46 AM Oct 2021

How is it that Kissinger & Cheney are alive when Colin Powell is not?

Yes, I know Powell was wrong about the UN speech. I believe his life, his service, and his recommendations of Obama in 2008, HRC in 2016 & Biden in 2020 were very important.

The other 2 and Shrub, I'll visit their gravesites after a gallon of cold tea and a screw top jar in my backpack.

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How is it that Kissinger & Cheney are alive when Colin Powell is not? (Original Post) irisblue Oct 2021 OP
Got a Better Deal, Ma'am, With The Man In Black At The Midnight Crossroad... The Magistrate Oct 2021 #1
+1 2naSalit Oct 2021 #6
Like the old song says, "Only the good die young." Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #2
Jimmy Carter begs to differ. GoCubsGo Oct 2021 #14
Powell had cancer which affects the immune system. Those over 65 and with pre-exisiting Demsrule86 Oct 2021 #3
the universe does not have a moral arc Voltaire2 Oct 2021 #4
Tens razon! Moral arcs are personal projections sanatanadharma Oct 2021 #8
Toxic viciousness Wicked Blue Oct 2021 #5
And Alan West hamsterjill Oct 2021 #7
Ask the Vietnamese malaise Oct 2021 #9
Mr. Powell served in my dad's era JustAnotherGen Oct 2021 #10
Remember his coverup of My Lai massacre unc70 Oct 2021 #11
Indeed enough Oct 2021 #13
Yes. Some here are aiming their fire at Powell, that deservedly belongs trained on Cheney, Trump hlthe2b Oct 2021 #12
I remember the UN speech and what it brought about. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2021 #16
Case in point. No one here forgets that. You use all your ammo on one who actually turned the hlthe2b Oct 2021 #17
I have an unlimited supply. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2021 #18
I'm not gravedancing, either. AngryOldDem Oct 2021 #27
The rain falls on the just and the unjust. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2021 #15
Cheney: "I think of it as MY heart" budkin Oct 2021 #19
Patience, please. Some big payments are coming due! NCjack Oct 2021 #20
Kissenger and Cheney probably took the baby parts cocktail like pwb Oct 2021 #21
Those two are like horror movie villains, with each kill they grow stronger. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #22
They can't "go" till they finish vetting replacements for his stooge role. UTUSN Oct 2021 #23
Vampires? roamer65 Oct 2021 #24
Evil Never Dies Deep State Witch Oct 2021 #25
Powell owned his part in the WMD lie. AngryOldDem Oct 2021 #26
"a blot on his record" Skittles Oct 2021 #29
he wasn't just "wrong about a speech" Skittles Oct 2021 #28

Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
3. Powell had cancer which affects the immune system. Those over 65 and with pre-exisiting
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:56 AM
Oct 2021

conditions should receive a third vaccine and be very careful IMHO.

Voltaire2

(12,962 posts)
4. the universe does not have a moral arc
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 09:56 AM
Oct 2021

it is entirely indifferent to what sort of person you are, or in other words: 'shit happens'.

sanatanadharma

(3,689 posts)
8. Tens razon! Moral arcs are personal projections
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:16 AM
Oct 2021

": 'shit happens'."

The shit we sow results in the reek we reap.

The Universe is morally indifferent indeed, while within that Universe we create our own karmic worlds of personally pleasant and unpleasant circumstances.

Shit happens. Some seem predisposed to play in it.
Others conscientiously clean the gardens they tend.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
10. Mr. Powell served in my dad's era
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 10:23 AM
Oct 2021

Everyone knows agent orange - not everyone knows Pink, Blue, White, Green, or Red.

I do - because it's why when that time bomb exploded in my dad - 6 months to a year became 3 months.

He was of my dad's era as is my god father. SOS General Powell - he had a time bomb in him. That rank did not come easy for his time in the military.

There was no way he was going to survive C-19 - vaccinated or not.

And I understand - at an emotional level - why does a good man die and the evil thrive?

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
12. Yes. Some here are aiming their fire at Powell, that deservedly belongs trained on Cheney, Trump
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 11:10 AM
Oct 2021

and so many others.

Sure, I disagreed with Powell on multiple issues, but overall he was light and day in comparison to the Rumsfelds, Dick Cheneys, Trumpsters, and their ilk. He was flawed and made mistakes. Most people do over the course of 80-plus years. But save some fire for those who never even admitted, much less tried to learn from their mistakes-- or who overtly committed war crimes and/or advocated crimes against humanity.

It is disheartening to see some of the comments here that seem to forget that.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,907 posts)
16. I remember the UN speech and what it brought about.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:45 PM
Oct 2021

Can't undo that, and I don't need to forgive him for that even if he's dead. Just because he isn't as bad as Rumsfeld or Cheney doesn't mean he was one of the good guys, either.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
17. Case in point. No one here forgets that. You use all your ammo on one who actually turned the
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:50 PM
Oct 2021

corner and felt remorse about past misdeeds, policies, statements, positions-- then exactly how credible will your very justified post-mortem excoriations of those who truly deserve it? Maybe it makes you feel better, but it only dilutes the recriminations owed the truly horrible.

No one here forgets the misdeeds, including the UN speech, and My Lai. I do remember the past 13 years with Powell, expressing recriminations for that UN speech, supporting Obama, calling out Trump and the Trumpist-owned Republican party, and defending Biden. Evil remains evil. Powell was NOT evil.

Save it for Cheney. Save it for Trump. Save it for all who truly deserve everything that can befall them to and including death.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
27. I'm not gravedancing, either.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:16 PM
Oct 2021

Powell did what he was told to do, and he believed it to be true, as most did. He later regretted his role in it. I can’t think of anyone else in the Bush administration who would ever do that, especially Cheney.

I respected Colin Powell, and I was saddened to hear of his passing. RIP, sir.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
26. Powell owned his part in the WMD lie.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:12 PM
Oct 2021

He called it a blot on his record. That’s more than Cheney or Kissinger will ever do.

Like you, I’ve been wondering the same thing all day. My only answer is that evil is somehow resilient. Sadly.

Skittles

(153,113 posts)
28. he wasn't just "wrong about a speech"
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:20 PM
Oct 2021

as part of BUSH INC he helped to lie America into a senseless fucking WAR

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