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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:44 PM Oct 2021

What's inside the Treasury's proposal to track nearly all bank accounts

As part of President Joe Biden's plan to crack down on tax evasion by the wealthy, one proposal has proved incendiary: A plan to require banks to report to the Internal Revenue Service several new pieces of information from U.S. bank accounts. It has drawn condemnation from the finance industry and some lawmakers, while stoking fears among ordinary Americans that the government plans to monitor their day-to-day spending.

Under a Treasury proposal issued in May as part of the agency's budget request, banks would be required to note how much money went into and out of an account, excluding any account with less than $600 in flows annually or whose balance is under $600. Individual transactions won't be listed, and officials have said it will not lead to more audits of middle-income Americans.

Despite this, the proposal is still the subject of heated negotiation in Congress. Here's what's included in the plan — and what's not.

Totals, not transactions

The Treasury proposal would have banks report "gross inflows and outflows with a breakdown for physical cash, transactions with a foreign account, and transfers to and from another account with the same owner." Banks already report interest income over $10 on Form 1099-INT; this proposal would add a few lines to that tax document.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/whats-inside-the-treasurys-proposal-to-track-nearly-all-bank-accounts/ar-AAPu3FY

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What's inside the Treasury's proposal to track nearly all bank accounts (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
Do other Duers find reporting of "TOTALS" in and out to be a non-issue? hlthe2b Oct 2021 #1
Itemizations will probably come later. Sneederbunk Oct 2021 #2
This seems overreach to me, doesn't the 4th amendment go into search and seizures via SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #3
It's still a bad idea Sur Zobra Oct 2021 #4
It's WHITT Oct 2021 #5
Dubya already started us on that road I thought.. Hekate Oct 2021 #6
My assumption is that the only reason we are really talking about this is that it scores well at CBO tritsofme Oct 2021 #7
this is political poison, we need to drop it or we pay a heavy price nt Celerity Oct 2021 #8
$600? STUPID idea dalton99a Oct 2021 #9
This is just going to hurt the ones who need help Tribetime Oct 2021 #10
Say bye-bye to millions of middle and lower income voters. lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #11
$600?? EndlessWire Oct 2021 #12
Raise that $600 to $1M. roamer65 Oct 2021 #13

hlthe2b

(102,239 posts)
1. Do other Duers find reporting of "TOTALS" in and out to be a non-issue?
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:49 PM
Oct 2021

I don't. Not for small dollar non-commercial accounts. More ability for IRS to go after the poor, who can't afford the accountants or others to defend them against errors or garnished accounts.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
3. This seems overreach to me, doesn't the 4th amendment go into search and seizures via
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:59 PM
Oct 2021

language such as

"It prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. In addition, it sets requirements for issuing warrants: warrants must be issued by a judge or magistrate, justified by probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and must particularly describe the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized."

And with the times being that they are, this data could be seized by hackers in some manner (depending on how it is protected, etc.) and perhaps manipulated...is this part of a slippery slope process here that we are embarking on, w/ this Treasury Dept. proposal?

 

Sur Zobra

(3,428 posts)
4. It's still a bad idea
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 12:59 PM
Oct 2021

The IRS needs to audit the top 10% of rich people, and leave the rest of us alone. Sheesh

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
5. It's
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:10 PM
Oct 2021

commercial transactions on Square, Venmo, PayPal, and Zelle, and total amount of deposits and withdrawals from most BUSINESS bank accounts.

Treasury says they would not be tracking individual withdrawals, deposits or transactions in bank accounts, or individual transactions or payments made on cash apps.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
6. Dubya already started us on that road I thought..
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:30 PM
Oct 2021

… with transfers and withdrawals. Part of Homeland Security to this day

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
7. My assumption is that the only reason we are really talking about this is that it scores well at CBO
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 01:34 PM
Oct 2021

I know we are desperate for pay-fors, but they should find a less politically toxic offset than this.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
12. $600??
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:09 PM
Oct 2021

They're gonna be tracking Social Security deposits. This is a bad idea. Let this go, and go after the filthy rich 1%rs. I mean, this is stupid. They wanna track the money I use to go after Tortuga Rum Cakes? Pet food? Mac n Cheese? Yeah, I know it's the total, but my totals don't mean squat to them. Why bother? Don't kid yourself, this is bad news.

I'm an American. I don't need to have my money TRACED. Privacy is inherent in my pursuit of happiness. Holding me up by my shorty shorts isn't becoming of our government.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
13. Raise that $600 to $1M.
Mon Oct 18, 2021, 02:10 PM
Oct 2021

Maybe even $5M.

Then they will have the majority of Americans with them.

The problem is the threshold is WAY TOO LOW.

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