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Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:33 PM

 

Just hold the damn votes on Biden's agenda! If all fails let the voters decide in 2022 whom they

really want to govern them. I do believe that talk is cheap. Action is what counts. If you take action and someone stands in your way they are to blame. I live with the faint hope that most people want what is best for themselves and their country. Joe Biden has done all that he can to get people to get vaccinated, to get people to push his agenda through their contacts with their Senators and Representative. If they don't fight for what is right maybe they don't deserve what is right. i a so sick and tired of Manchin and his bullshit. Some say we can't move without him. Well we can't move with him either. More folks in W.VA are beginning to see the light and it ain't a burning coal!

The fact that Manchin and McConnell and Trump (and I put them in the same bag now) can prevent this nation from effective broadband recovery from a pandemic and the assault on our democracy is simply stunning and may prove that our kind of democracy actually doesn't work for average working men and women.

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Response to joetheman (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:40 PM

1. I agree with you on principle, but even Jesus had to feed the multitudes so that

they'd listen to His Sermon On The Mount. Or so I'm told...

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Response to joetheman (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:45 PM

2. I don't understand why nobody goes to WV and tells

them Joe Manchin is preventing them from getting
whatever billions of dollars from the bill. The Republicans are saturating the media telling them how bad it is. While Democrats bicker about how many trillion to spend. The Republican governor managed to pass a big infrastructure bill a couple years ago when people knew what projects it involved.
How about the road from Morgantown to the Ohio River that has been talked about for decades.
I live in Ohio what will we get get out of it? We don't know.
There are several highway projects that have been talked about in my area for decades.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 04:57 PM

3. Actually several have, and it made Manchin even more resistant to change his views. I am

referring to Kamala Harris early on in the Biden administration, and that that greatly angered Manchin, and then the editorial by Sanders, which Manchin blasted back at Sanders.

One of the major problems is that too many Congressional Democrats feel compelled to use the media as a negotiation platform, and unfortunately that is not a good way to negotiate, or convince someone to your point of view


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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:00 PM

4. All we hear from the media is a dollar figure. nt

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Response to doc03 (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:02 PM

5. and without details about its contents. All they seem to be concerned about is exploiting the

divisions

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Response to joetheman (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:03 PM

6. How about Democrats buy a dang mailing list and send out a flyer

with targeted messaging on how the bills will help a particular state or locality?

No dollar signs, just name the improvements to people’s lives.

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Response to Baked Potato (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:05 PM

7. THAT. What role does the DNC and DCCC play in supporting Biden's agenda. nt

 

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Response to joetheman (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 05:09 PM

8. If we can get SOMETHING passed to encourage Dem voters, win the majority in 2022, get the rest

It sounds like some of the critical climate change legislation is what Manchin is balking on (gee, what a surprise). And Simena is balking on prescription drug cost ceilings (again, what a surprise). Those are absolutely KEY but I'm wondering if it's a better strategy to get at least SOME of Biden's agenda passed, win over the majority in 2022, then get climate change and Rx price ceilings passed??

I honestly don't know if that is a good strategy or not. Will only getting some of the agenda passed encourage or dissuade Dem voters? And we'd also be gambling that we win a majority in 2022. Then again, if we lose in 2022 with nothing at all passed, then we're really screwed.

I honestly don't know what's the right move here. I think AOC and others would balk at passing a bill without those things Manchin and Simena don't want to be included, so maybe it's a moot point and we have no choice but to wait until 2022.

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