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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:02 AM Oct 2021

I see some here are waking up

Manchin and Sinema are not going to support Biden’s human infrastructure bill. They were never going to and now that is painfully clear.

Democratic leadership needs to figure out what they can do without them and move on.

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I see some here are waking up (Original Post) berni_mccoy Oct 2021 OP
Can't figure out why he ran as a Dem in WV for f**k's sake.... Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #1
ive been complaining about him for months and have been warned or alerted . AllaN01Bear Oct 2021 #2
"I've been complaining about him for months and have been warned or alerted." LenaBaby61 Oct 2021 #8
Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #3
Where is leadership? Strip these two of their appointments leftstreet Oct 2021 #4
Exactly. Sogo Oct 2021 #7
Or his daughter's job with Pharma? BComplex Oct 2021 #15
In a 50/50 senate McConnell would let them both have sex with his wife to get them to change parties bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #16
I see some here are waking up. LenaBaby61 Oct 2021 #5
Manchin is showing signs of weakening, Sanders said so, and he said something to the effect that PortTack Oct 2021 #6
. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #9
I do too. No rolled eyes from me. LakeArenal Oct 2021 #11
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Oct 2021 #18
Not weakening, negotiations moving forward. Last night, Hortensis Oct 2021 #17
With a Senate Democratic majority, they can continue to be powerful and courted Senators. Aristus Oct 2021 #10
This is one of the facets of our political system. It's a helluva way to conduct our nation's CTyankee Oct 2021 #12
Exactly. I never understood what negotiations were going to happen Raven123 Oct 2021 #13
Some version of the bill Elessar Zappa Oct 2021 #14
True. old guy Oct 2021 #20
The pukes are laughing behind both their backs. pwb Oct 2021 #19

AllaN01Bear

(18,126 posts)
2. ive been complaining about him for months and have been warned or alerted .
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:04 AM
Oct 2021

now its true that he shows is colors .

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
8. "I've been complaining about him for months and have been warned or alerted."
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:17 AM
Oct 2021

Same here, although I almost got in trouble about comparing Melania to FLOTUS Michelle back in the day. I guess it's now 'okay' to call Melania a worthless, gold-digging slime ball and worse, since HER true colors were revealed (I knew about her true colors back in the day when she was/is a birther, saying that Pres. Obama's birth certificate wasn't real on The View. I was warned to NOT talk ill of a woman, who certainly spoke ill of THIS country and of THIS country's women, and everything else about THIS country).

As for Manchin & Sinema, both are worthless, rotten-ass, un-American traitorous slime balls.

Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
4. Where is leadership? Strip these two of their appointments
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:06 AM
Oct 2021

McConnell would NEVER let something like this happen

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
7. Exactly.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:11 AM
Oct 2021

Manchin should lose his coveted appointment as chair of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, especially if nothing gets done on these two bills. Then he won't be able to protect his son's coal company (the one Manchin himself started).

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
15. Or his daughter's job with Pharma?
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:43 AM
Oct 2021

The whole thing smells rotten, but Manchin still keeps Chuck Schumer as leader of the Senate, so we'll take what we can get.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
16. In a 50/50 senate McConnell would let them both have sex with his wife to get them to change parties
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:55 AM
Oct 2021

Without them there are 48 votes and nothing gets done, at least with the majority there is hope while other things like judges are moving forward….

Let’s not fool ourselves here. Unless we can elect an additional 3 democrats in 22 we have more years of this bullshit.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
5. I see some here are waking up.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:08 AM
Oct 2021

I have friends who still think that Manchin and Sinema are going to do the 'right' thing in the end.

I laugh so hard when my friends tell me this, because Manchin & Sinema are lost causes only interested in themselves and their $$$$$ They don't care if the GQP/US Taliban Party takes over this country with the mid-terms and presidency coming at us faster than hell .... And of course, most in the corporate media would love to see more tRump-inspired chaos & shenanigans coming from that party of soulless, racist, un-American heathens known as the GQP/US Taliban Party ..

PortTack

(32,754 posts)
6. Manchin is showing signs of weakening, Sanders said so, and he said something to the effect that
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:09 AM
Oct 2021

He didn’t see it being completed by the 31st, which is different than his op eds he’s given. Sinema, has said she would go along with 3.5, not that she wouldn’t go along with it at all.

I also think we need to let our dem leaders continue with their work and support them!! Completely!!

LakeArenal

(28,813 posts)
11. I do too. No rolled eyes from me.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:31 AM
Oct 2021

We have no idea what Biden and Pelosi are planning. They’ve done well so far. I’m willing to stick with.

Trumpets supported the Wad no matter what. I wish Democrats would at least not complain and fear monger.

They support so well we still have to deal with trump.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Not weakening, negotiations moving forward. Last night,
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:01 PM
Oct 2021

Pramila Jayapal confirmed they'd spent 2 hours together, wouldn't say what they discussed, but said there would be passage.

Jayapal had previously stated she and her allies might kill the entire package rather than compromise further, so this is also very reassuring.

Aristus

(66,310 posts)
10. With a Senate Democratic majority, they can continue to be powerful and courted Senators.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:20 AM
Oct 2021

With a Republican Senate majority, they can go back to being faces in the crowd. I wonder why they're creating conditions for a repuke takeover of the Senate...

CTyankee

(63,901 posts)
12. This is one of the facets of our political system. It's a helluva way to conduct our nation's
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:37 AM
Oct 2021

business but I suspect other democracies that have their more radical factions as well as their more
liberal ones are just products of the system that put them there.

Raven123

(4,817 posts)
13. Exactly. I never understood what negotiations were going to happen
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:40 AM
Oct 2021

Once the infrastructure Bill was split off, it was over. Honestly, I don’t know if would have made a difference anyway, but splitting the Bills didn’t help

Elessar Zappa

(13,952 posts)
14. Some version of the bill
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:41 AM
Oct 2021

could very well pass but it would be cut down significantly. A lot of important parts will be cut. Unfortunate, but better than nothing.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
20. True.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 12:47 PM
Oct 2021

The problem will be how the bill is perceived by the voters. I have said as much before and continue to feel this way because the 2022 election depends on this perception.

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