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peoli

(3,111 posts)
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 07:18 PM Oct 2021

The myth of the climate moderate

After months of discussion and debate, Democrats are at an impasse on a raft of infrastructure legislation that could make or break President Joe Biden’s effort to fight climate change. The rift, as it’s framed in countless news stories, is between progressives who want an ambitious social and climate spending bill and moderates who have protested the price tag.

But there’s a problem with portraying these disagreements as a conflict between moderates and progressives. This picture leaves out the unarguable scientific reality that pollution is warming the planet at an unsustainable and dangerous rate. There is nothing moderate or debatable about the catastrophic changes that global emissions are wreaking on the climate. In August, a panel of United Nations climate scientists called it “unequivocal” that humans have warmed Earth’s skies, waters, and lands.

“It is possible to find middle ground in many areas of politics; I know, because I have done it,” Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA), an advocate of swift climate action, said in a recent press conference. “But we cannot compromise on science. There isn’t a middle ground between a livable and unlivable world.”

A narrative that pits progressives against moderates runs the risk of spotlighting climate deniers and centering fossil fuel interests. It arguably distracts from the substance of climate policies that a broad swath of Americans already support

https://www.vox.com/22709379/moderate-versus-progressive-democrats-climate

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The myth of the climate moderate (Original Post) peoli Oct 2021 OP
Climate moderate. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #1
from the article Celerity Oct 2021 #2
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #5
There is universal agreement Zeitghost Oct 2021 #3
Sure there is. hunter Oct 2021 #4
And, in order to quit fossil fuels, we must quit Ron Green Oct 2021 #6

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,854 posts)
1. Climate moderate.
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

Hmmm. It's not really a choice, not the way being a moderate Democrat or moderate Republican.

It's more on the order of, "I'm a torture moderate. I don't do the rack, but I do do thumbscrews." It's still torture. The climate is changing, no matter what your ideology.

Celerity

(43,349 posts)
2. from the article
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 09:25 PM
Oct 2021
“The idea of the moderate middle is bullshit: it’s a rhetorical device meant to marginalize some policy positions at the expense of others.”


https://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/lets-stop-using-the-word-moderate

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
3. There is universal agreement
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 10:30 PM
Oct 2021

On the diagnoses. There is not the same level of agreement on the treatment.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
6. And, in order to quit fossil fuels, we must quit
Tue Oct 19, 2021, 11:48 PM
Oct 2021

economic growth. And that’s a truth no politician will utter.

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