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CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:01 PM Oct 2021

I hope this encourages more people in our country to think about the danger of guns.

When a gun can cause a death in such a "controlled" situation as a movie set, it should give us pause.

To me there is no such thing as "gun safety" in most of our lives. We allow our military and our police to carry guns under certain conditions and for certain reasons and we demand proper control and care of such lethal weaponry. That this happened on a movie set should make us even more wary of any gun that we might encounter.

I speak as someone whose family was shattered by a handgun meant for personal protection of the home and became a murder weapon.

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I hope this encourages more people in our country to think about the danger of guns. (Original Post) CTyankee Oct 2021 OP
i foresee manslaughter charges against the props master. Tetrachloride Oct 2021 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2021 #2
Alec Baldwin is also to blame unless it was faulty ammo. marie999 Oct 2021 #3
My guess is that Baldwin feels as you do. CTyankee Oct 2021 #4
This was not an isolated incident. former9thward Oct 2021 #6
I hadn't heard that. Why weren't those two previous malfunctions known to the press who have CTyankee Oct 2021 #8
ABC News former9thward Oct 2021 #10
Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Oct 2021 #11
While I will take grief for this, Chuuku Davis Oct 2021 #5
Why would ANY gun on a film set have live rounds? robbob Oct 2021 #7
my thought exactly... except it won't LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #9
maybe movies could stop using guns all the time. babydollhead Oct 2021 #12
Something of an overgeneralization. Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #13

Tetrachloride

(7,816 posts)
1. i foresee manslaughter charges against the props master.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 01:22 PM
Oct 2021

and civil charges against the producers in general .

The type of gun and what was inside are contributing factors.

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
3. Alec Baldwin is also to blame unless it was faulty ammo.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 05:34 PM
Oct 2021

When someone hands you a weapon you are responsible for that weapon. You do not shoot a weapon until you have checked both the weapon and the ammo. In the army, I was never given a rifle nor a magazine that was loaded. I would never fire a weapon before making sure the barrel was free of obstruction. In a firefight, which I was never in, that might not always be possible, on a movie set it should be mandatory.

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
4. My guess is that Baldwin feels as you do.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 09:25 PM
Oct 2021

The key difference in your analogy is that being in film-making and being in the army are totally disparate situations. In film making you would have an expectation of safety that you wouldn't have in the armed services. The actors, director, extras, costumers, etc are totally absorbed in making a film. There is an expectation of certain things involved in their project.

Now that expectation is clouded and uncertain, to say the least.

Hindsight is always 50/50.

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
6. This was not an isolated incident.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 09:54 PM
Oct 2021

There had been two gun malfunctions earlier in the shooting. The camera crew had walked off due to safety concerns. So Baldwin, especially in his role as a producer, had knowledge of these problems. I wonder why he had left New Mexico so quickly. It will be difficult for local law enforcement to interview him now.

CTyankee

(63,891 posts)
8. I hadn't heard that. Why weren't those two previous malfunctions known to the press who have
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 09:40 AM
Oct 2021

covered this story?

Where did you learn this information?

former9thward

(31,941 posts)
10. ABC News
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 04:19 PM
Oct 2021

The day before the deadly incident, a large number of people in the camera department resigned over reasons including an apparent lack of safety protocols, a member of the camera crew who quit the production told ABC News.

On a day prior to Thursday's fatal shooting, there were two accidental discharges within 10 minutes, according to the former crew member.

The issue of gun safety had been brought up by the camera crew and allegedly brushed off repeatedly by producers, said the person, who had already left the set before the fatal shooting occurred.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/crew-members-hospitalized-prop-gun-misfires-set-alec/story?id=80715740

Chuuku Davis

(565 posts)
5. While I will take grief for this,
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 09:34 PM
Oct 2021

AB broke all four of the universal gun safety rules and had a negligent discharge.

LymphocyteLover

(5,636 posts)
9. my thought exactly... except it won't
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 09:55 AM
Oct 2021

But it's ridiculous how we have to have fucking guns everywhere, in all these movies -- like ALL tough guys have to shoot a gun. Ridiculous.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
13. Something of an overgeneralization.
Sat Oct 23, 2021, 10:55 PM
Oct 2021

Of the top 10 grossing movies in 2019 (the last "normal" year), only 5 had guns. Arguably, only 4 since Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker had blasters, not firearms.

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