Alec Baldwin after the shooting

[Poiuyt]

This has been a real tragedy for everyone

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. ...

[hlthe2b]

2. There are some (mainly on the RW) that are absolutely excoriating the hell out of him--

some demanding that he be criminally prosecuted and denying the culpability of the person responsible for those guns (prop master) or others?

I don't get it. Can we not put ourselves in Baldwin's shoes for a moment and realize this horrific and tragic incident is something he will carry with him for the rest of his life. Guilt kills over time--even that which is not primarily earned. I know how I would feel in his shoes. I don't know how I'd learn to live with it.

The whole thing is just devastating. I was absolutely sickened waking up to this because I DO know how I would feel.

[Skittles]

4. you have to have empathy

all the right has is hatred

[Delphinus]

7. Sadly,

you are correct.

[LymphocyteLover]

22. exactly

[calimary]

28. Sad but true.

The donald opened that Pandora’s box all the way wide. Now, somehow, hatred is okay.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

5. This (nt)

[sarisataka]

6. I haven't seen it demanded that he should be charged

but there have been hints and suggestions made here that he may have responsibility and that it wasn't entirely accidental...

[wnylib]

12. I can understand that, as one of

the producers, Baldwin has some responsibility for allowing a real firearm instead of editing in sound and sparks later.

But not accidental? Do you mean that someone on the set intentionally set Baldwin up for this?

[sarisataka]

14. Most of the CTs are in the camp

That he was set up with a real bullet because of his politics. A couple however noted that the person killed was supporting those who complained of working conditions so he may have had motive to stage an "accident".

I am of the opinion it was most likely a series of screw-ups that ended in a colossal, fatal fuck-up

[wnylib]

16. It's amazing how people who weren't there

and don't have all the details somehow manage to "know" what happened, how, and why.

It happens every time there is a tragedy of some kind.

[Susan Calvin]

34. As I have heard it today,

So-called prop firearms are real guns. Just defanged. Hopefully and supposedly.

[ManiacJoe]

38. Some factory guns need modifying, some do not.

No revolvers need modifying to fire blanks.
Some semi-auto pistols need modifications to properly cycle blanks, some do not.

[MustLoveBeagles]

13. RW'rs have hated him for years

They did the same thing when his angry phone call to his daughter was released. The negative publicity was so bad he offered to resign from the show 30 Rock. Their outrage is phony. I'm sure their pissing their pants in delight that this happened. I feel for everyone involved in this tragedy. This has to eating him up inside.

[monkeyman1]

18. killing another human being is not easy ! even in a combat zone !!!!

been there -done that ! it stay's with you for life !!!

[hlthe2b]

35. ...

I'm sorry.

[MustLoveBeagles]

39. ...

[LymphocyteLover]

24. how the HELL was it his fault??? I don't get it.

[MustLoveBeagles]

37. I don't either

There's a lot of people jumping to conclusions. We don't know the whole story yet.

[babylonsister]

8. Now there's

a plot twist I never considered.

[Cetacea]

11. No doubt the prop man will be looked at.

[Aussie105]

20. Most film sets where guns are involved have an armory expert

who is in charge of firearms, never lets them out of his sight unless locked up, and hands it to the actor at the start of a shooting scene after checking it, and gives the actor instructions.

And takes it back straight after the scene has been filmed.

What happened here?

Guns don't just make scary sounds . . . even one firing blanks can be dangerous at short range.

[Susan Calvin]

32. That's the first place to look, no doubt.

Not a job that I would want.

[Cetacea]

40. Having been on sets I agree

[meadowlander]

41. Here's how Jensen Ackles described the training he got on the same set a few days before

https://www.eonline.com/news/1306947/alec-baldwins-co-star-jensen-ackles-shared-insight-into-films-gun-practices-before-fatal-shooting

""They had me pick my gun," the actor said. "They were like, 'All right, what gun would you like?' and I was like, 'I don't know' and the armorer was like, 'You have gun experience?' and I was like, 'A little,' and she's like, 'OK, well, this is how you load it. This is how we check it and make sure it's safe.'

Ackles continued, "So she's like, 'OK, I'm going to put some blanks in there and I want you to just go and fire off a couple rounds towards the hill.' And I was like, 'OK.' So I put the belt on, I put the gun there and I walked out and she's like, 'Just make sure you know you pull the hammer all the way back and you aim at your target.'"

Is it unusual that they would be allowed to just walk out with the gun?

[markie]

9. this

changes a person forever... makes us realize how fragile life is and how 1 second, 1 choice, 1 move can change everything

[Gymbo]

10. New Mexico has an excusable homicide statute

https://law.justia.com/codes/new-mexico/2020/chapter-30/article-2/section-30-2-5/
Homicide is excusable in the following cases:

A. when committed by accident or misfortune in doing any lawful act, by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution and without any unlawful intent.

[Susan Calvin]

31. I feel that is the case in this case.

My current feeling is that details were overlooked or elided. I have no basis for this feeling except I can't understand any other way it could have happened. I feel so sorry for absolutely everybody.

[Lancero]

42. Usual and ordinary caution seems to be at odds with firearms safety.

Always assume a gun is loaded, no?

[question everything]

15. I admit, my first reaction was a cringe about how gleeful Whinny Donny is

[Aussie105]

19. Tragic all round.

A life lost, others scarred beyond healing.

Local news hinted that a live round was in the gun, not some form of blank, but no confirmation of that being true currently.
Questions need to be asked and answered whatever went wrong.

Years ago I watched a shoot-out reenactment at Dutch Flat, California.
Six guns blasting, throwing shredded newspaper everywhere. With the force the paper came out, you would not want to be anywhere in front, not within 15 yards anyway.

[BootinUp]

21. its some f'd up shit, for sure. nt

[Ligyron]

23. Two people got accidentally shot?

TWO?

I love Alec but you’d think after the first person got hit that it just might be a good idea to not pull the trigger anymore?

[LymphocyteLover]

26. we don't know what happened and some were saying there were fragments expelled

not bullets, which is how two could get hit with one shot

[hlthe2b]

33. Reuters makes it pretty clear that a single shot was fired that struck both.

SANTA FE, N.M., Oct 22 (Reuters) - Alec Baldwin was handed what was described as a safe "cold gun" on the set of his movie "Rust", but the prop gun contained live rounds when it was fired, according to details of the police investigation into the fatal shooting released on Friday.

The shot hit cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in the chest, and director Joel Souza who was behind her, in the shoulder, according to a county sheriff's affidavit filed in Santa Fe magistrates court.

Hutchins died of her wounds and Souza was injured but has since been released from a local hospital.

The assistant director who handed Baldwin the prop gun did not know it contained live rounds, the affidavit by Santa Fe Sheriff's Department Detective Joel Cano said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-fired-prop-gun-that-killed-crew-member-movie-set-authorities-2021-10-22/

[Ligyron]

36. Which is why you never point a weapon at anyone

(unless you actually intend to shoot them) and you always assume the damn thing is loaded.

Thanks for the Reuters info.

[Lancero]

43. Even worse, they'd already had cases of 'cold' guns being loaded.

No one was hit, thankfully, but you'd think that after something like that you'd be more careful.

[Scrivener7]

25. Who would take this picture and then spread it around?

That's cruel and indecent.

[Susan Calvin]

30. You have a point.

This it's all so sad and such a mess.

[Snackshack]

27. There is still

Way too much unknown at this point to have anything but empathy for the two that were killed & injured and him.

[Susan Calvin]

29. I am so sorry.

I want to know what happened and who is responsible, but it won't turn back the hands of time.

[NickB79]

44. He's not in costume from the looks of it

I assumed it happened while shooting a scene, and he'd be in cowboy garb. But this doesn't look like period dress for a Western.

So what the hell happened?

[xmas74]

45. He handed over his clothes to the police.

Supposedly they were bloody. This might be after he changed.

[NickB79]

46. Ah, makes sense

Jesus Christ

[Susan Calvin]

47. According to this source,

https://www.leftvoice.org/iatse-member-halyna-hutchinss-death-is-not-just-a-tragic-accident-its-a-labor-issue/?

Not only a tragic accident but a labor issue.

Halyna Hutchins was killed at her workplace yesterday. She was 42 years old and was shot to death on a film set after an actor fired what should have been a prop gun. Official reports state that the gun was supposed to be filled with blanks, but the circumstances surrounding Hutchins’s death and the injury of the film’s director, Joel Souza, are still hazy. What is clear, however, is that the crew of the film had voiced concerns over safety on set for weeks. The entire camera crew, except Hutchins and one other crew member, walked off the job the morning Hutchins was shot, resigning over lack of payment, inadequate Covid-19 protections, and poor gun safety.