Been thinking about the Baldwin accidental shooting

[Aviation Pro]

And although I don't traffic in conspiracy theories, the probability that the firearm was loaded by a Bloated Tick supporter angry at Baldwin's evisceration of his cult leader on SNL is not out of the realm of possibilities.

[madaboutharry]

1. I highly doubt that scenario.

I think we will eventually learn that there were several layers of negligence, from the production company all the way done to those in charge of the props. I think in the end this is going to be a sad story of what happens when corners are cut and things are done in the cheap.

[Aviation Pro]

4. Yeah, it's more than likely the classic lining up of the Swiss cheese

But at the same time, we don't know what the SOPs for handling are on set.

[robbob]

22. There are several video's and interviews out there

By profession prop masters and armerours (sp?) which shed light on the proper way to handle firearms on the set, including an interview I heard on CBC the other day from the man in charge for Unforgiven and Pachendale*, a WWI epic that recreated battle scenes involving literally hundreds of long barrel rifles that were loaded. That interview alone raised many questions about how this accident could have possibly happened, and cost cutting plus inexperienced personal seemed to be the most likely explanation.

Also, let’s not forget, several crew members walked off the set over safety concerns.

*Dean Goodine, listen here: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-50-q/clip/15874476-prop-master-dean-goodine-breaks-gun-safety-movie

[dchill]

2. I hadn't thought of that. Hmmm...

So far, it's a conspiracy theory, though.

[Tetrachloride]

3. Let the investigation do its job.

[Hoyt]

5. Think plot for at least 50 "Murder She Wrote" episodes was about loaded prop gunz.

[gab13by13]

6. He was given a loaded gun,

it wasn't blanks.

[onenote]

7. We don't know exactly what happened.

While a union official referred to the weapon as having a single "live round", another union source later explained that they don't does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.


From Wikipedia:While blanks are less dangerous than live ammunition, they are far from harmless, and can in fact be fatal. Beside the hot combustion gases, any objects in the cartridge itself (like wadding or a bullet-shaped plug keeping the propellant in place) or the barrel will be propelled at high velocity and cause injury or death at close range.

[Nevilledog]

8. +1000

[Thomas Hurt]

13. Brandon Lee died by a blank. I think the wad is what killed him.

I find it odd that any live, full blown ammunition was even on a movie set location.

The only thing that I can see happened is someone was shooting the weapon with regular rounds, like at a gun range and it did not get emptied. But that means it is did not checked by someone responsible for the weapons on the set and Baldwin did not check it.

Then again I doubt it is the actor's job to do that.

[Mosby]

19. There was a round stuck in the barrel

The force of the blank propelled the bullet.

[Mike 03]

20. The Brandon Lee death was a disaster. There was a modified projectile in the

gun but there wasn't supposed to be. I don't know the correct terminology, but the prop master thought he had cleared the chambers and replaced them with the blanks, but a projectile was stuck somewhere in the gun and discharged because there is still a small amount of gunpowder in the primer (?) to set off the effects.

It's almost unheard of for live ammunition to be purposefully discharged on a movie set. It is so rare that the few known instances are pretty notorious:

Twilight Zone The Movie in the John Landis segment (very recklessly)
Manhunter directed by Michael Mann (very recklessly)

I've seen the possibility floated that live ammo was used during Full Metal Jacket (that was in the UK and they may have different rules) but only under extreme caution and I've never seen that verified by a good source. I rather doubt it. One reason why it hasn't been an issue is that well-done squibs actually look a whole lot better than live ammo.

One of the eyewitnesses to the Twilight Zone incident said he had been in the film industry for two decades and never seen or even heard of live ammunition being used on set.

[malaise]

9. Here's what I asked

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15974197

I rule nothing out these days

[Thomas Hurt]

10. I floated that conspiracy on the Hill just to mock the christofascists...they rose to the bait.

[USALiberal]

11. FFS! Really? Nt

[sarisataka]

12. It's also not out of the realm of possibility

that after Baldwin was given the gun loaded with blanks he swapped a live round in place of a blank so he could get away with murder.

Give me a few minutes and I can come up with some really good theories...

[Thomas Hurt]

14. Sure that has been several murder mystery tv shows over the years...

[dewsgirl]

15. This was one of my first thoughts.

[Aviation Pro]

16. Lead projectile

In other words, bullet.

My hypothesis is getting more plausible.

[BannonsLiver]

17. It's actually not, but sure.

[Aviation Pro]

18. Your rolly eyes are duly noted

But I'll let it unfold.

[Devil Child]

21. "I don't traffic in conspiracy theories"

Then proceeds to traffic in conspiracy theory.

[KentuckyWoman]

23. My primary thought in all of this

is what a shame the media is not doing more on good gun safety that everyone in America should know even if you don't own guns ... because over 60% of Americans do.