Russell Brand tag teams Jon Stewart ragging on CNN - apologists for Drumpf

[UTUSN]

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Have never followed these two, was disposed to consider them on the Left back when. But went through stages of mistrust with Stewart, the first red flag being years ago when he attacked CNN's "Crossfire" for "dividing us", leading to its cancellation. Then he staged some kind of "unity" rally to match one by Glen BecKKK, when his vision turned out to be a Hippy Dippy Renaissance Fair complete with bubble blowing and the dweeby Mythbusters. And his reaching out to the wingnuts got worse when he started kissing up to O'Reilly. That sealed him for me. Is he Thid Way or No Labels? I wish Colbert would cut that cord.

With Brand it was more sudden - first just puzzled that a singer would marry his weirdness, then a mild allowance for him after the divorce when he seemed to be an educated European on chat shows, then just lost track of him entirely until a couple of months ago when i saw a couple of his podcast videos attacking the Clintons and being a jerk Drumpfite.

So today in my YouTube session, here both of them turned up as apologists for Drumpf by attacking CNN. Not linking here. The title can be Searched:

"Jon Stewart DESTROYS CNN on their Trump Obsession"

***** ON EDIT: See the video in Post #21 of Stewart on Crossfire that is almost entirely his focus on the show, the other contentious shows, the media, both hosts - with only one bit specific to Carlson.

[brush]

1. Your read on Stewart is way off, especially on the "Crossfire"...

incident. He took on winger Carlson and it was delightful to behold. If it lead to that show being cancelled, that's admirable.

And as far as criticizing CNN for all the free airtime it gave trump, what's the problem with that?

[UTUSN]

2. No, I saw it live, not Carlson alone, the whole show. Your opinions and mine never jibe.

Not engaging.

[JanMichael]

9. I saw it live too and loved it.

Tucker Carlson was full of shit back then and crossfire was getting worse and worse and worse in terms of the bothsiderism crap. They had become as much a part of the problem as any infotainment becomes.

Begala was that a certain type of person that gets caught up in that media Haze. I don't think he realized how worthless the show had become and how corporate the entire process had become.

On top of it Tucker challenged a stand up comedian at a shit throwing show and lost. In Begalas' defense he didn't bite like Tucker.

[UTUSN]

11. If there was anything Crossfire was *not* it was "bothersiderism" - the whole premise was,

uh, "cross fire." The BothSiderism is a later phenomenon, although even back then I used to call BLITZER and Judy WOODRUFF "tired Liberals" (of being attacked). If ACOSTA or LEMON today are exemplars of it on CNN today, there's a fly in the soup.

And to all who are magnetically attracted to disagree with me, fine. My opinions, posts, and above all what I *experience* for myself are mine. If I am supposed to parrot or be subsumed by all those of other people's there would be no need for me in toto.

Not really directing this at you, J/M:

[11 Bravo]

16. Tell me, which Crossfire host did he call an "asshole"?

Only one of them, as I recall.
That seems pertinent.

[UTUSN]

18. I answer questions like this that seem sincere. I didn't retain a photographic memory

of the event, my main and vivid impression being my own being puzzled at the attack on the whole show. I don't doubt that he singled out Carlson *in the mix* of it. Did he say the word "asshole" on the air back then? Maybe on the internet and shock outlets today, but not on news channels? All I remember is the part about tearing the country apart.

Perhaps somebody can find the whole thing on video, to show how much was aimed at just Carlson. I would love it then and now if he aimed only at Carlson. The rest of my take on Stewart is asking whether he is Third Way or No Labels, which has been ignored.

It's also pertinent that the whole show was cancelled, not just Carlson. Somebody else already conceded that he included the whole show.

Repeating, my impression of what I see, process, think is what I experience, not for others to call wilfully wrong or spreading misinformation.

It's also pertinent that these posts are framing everything on Crossfire and ignoring the rest of the post.

[hlthe2b]

21. Here's the full crossfire episode with Stewart

Tucker Carlson never wore a bowtie again after that humiliation.

BTW, I don't follow Russell Brand at all, so I truly have nothing to add to any discussion on him nor any reason to disagree with your assessment of him. Too many controversial figures to keep up with, I guess--from my vantage point.

[UTUSN]

23. So while he looked at mostly at Carlson throughout almost all of it was in plural:

- hacks, both hurting the country, all the shows, all this show, the media. The bowtie was the main specific at Carlson. There is nothing for me to change in what I said and nothing more on this focus.

[hlthe2b]

26. Most of us agree that Crossfire was a harmful debacle--much like Fox is now in its entirety.

Stewart was right to call it out in my opinion. I am, however sincerely interested as to why you defend that show, even with the participation of Begala, who I do like (and guess most here do). I watched it several times but was never a "regular" viewer so perhaps you saw something different?

[UTUSN]

27. Seems sincere enough to answer: Because half of it was

a Dem/Lib answering with Hades. There were more than just Begala.

[11 Bravo]

22. You only posed one question to me, and the answer is "yes".

He called Tucker an asshole. Live, and on-air.
As for the rest, I tend to agree with many of your takes, and disagree with others.
And so it goes.


On edit: He called Tucker a "dick", not an "asshole". While either would be appropriate, I always seek clarity.

[UTUSN]

24. The video in post #21 might have "dick" covered by applause and almost all

of what he said was about this show and other shows and the media.

[hlthe2b]

3. Thank you, brush. I could not agree with you more! I am confounded by the OP take on

Stewart's Crossfire episode. I remember when that occurred and DUers were thrilled to see Stewart take on Mr. Bowtie and his idiocy, but also the show.

And yes. CNN has of late increased coverage that is beyond the usual irritating and lazy "bothsiderism" but is just blatantly anti-Biden.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

29. +1. N/t

[obnoxiousdrunk]

30. +1. N/t

[Sympthsical]

4. When Jon Stewart isn't liberal enough . . .

That's why I turn to my ironclad journalists of record: Random People From Twitter.

[UTUSN]

5. Random people is what an internet opinion board is about.

[Sympthsical]

7. And purity of misinformation is what our entire problem is

Jon Stewart doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. If you're liberal and can't abide even him, then I'd say you're just out to find "information" that conforms with your views.

That's not information.

That's the Internet, and it's why our society is going fwoop, right down the tubes into the polarization shitter.

[Celerity]

6. fuck Russell Brand, POS anti-vaxxer, anti-Biden, etc etc

Comedian Russell Brand Has Become a Powerful Voice for Anti-Vaxxers

https://www.thedailybeast.com/comedian-russell-brand-has-become-a-powerful-voice-for-anti-vaxxers




Thought Biden Couldn't Sink Any Lower?? THINK AGAIN!!

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So...Trump was RIGHT About Clinton & Russia Collusion!!

[UTUSN]

8. Thank you. As I said, I didn't care for him to begin with but was unpleasantly surprised

to find out what he turned into.

[ProfessorGAC]

10. I Read What Stewart Said Very Differently

I read it as him suggesting a deeper dive into the systems allowing corrupted power for its own sake, and that laying all that on one person (doesn't matter who) is a mistake.
But, you've already sharpened your sword, so my read is likely irrelevant.

[UTUSN]

12. Well, you're correct that I stand by what I say, but the barb about my "sharpened my sword"

implies "defensiveness" as opposed to self-defense when attacked, called *wrong*, spouting confounding things, and questioning of my Dem/Lib-ness. I almost always post with supporting context, as opposed to the dismissive posts. As for "irrelevance" - if we all concerned recognize the futility of proselytizing our opinions to one another, I don't see why we should engage. I always skip past posts I don't agree with without leaving my crap in the threads.

[ProfessorGAC]

13. There's No Need To Imply "Defensiveness"

Your reply to me makes its existence clear.

[BigmanPigman]

14. I subscribed to Brand's channel

and started getting pissed off about a year or two ago. He is too much like Bill Maher, who also pisses me off.

[UTUSN]

15. Thanks for the constructive post. I never tracked him, so was surprised.

[Doc Sportello]

17. I never thought Stewart was that funny or insightful

A lot of mugging for the cameras with not a lot of wit involved - unlike Colbert who is really witty and funny. I too wish Colbert would get over his seeming need to suck up to Stewart like he is some genius.

CNN has done lots of good work taking dump to task, and although sometimes certain contributors like Cilizza have to do both siderism, many others like Brian Stelter and Brianna Keilar have done tremendous work exposing repub lies, tactics and venality. But of course if they are not 100 percent pro Democratic all the time then people will see that as being anti-Biden.

[UTUSN]

19. Thank you. You have eased my stomach ache of the brawl in public.

[Crunchy Frog]

20. Stewart and Colbert have been colleagues and close friends for over 20 years.

I believe they are extremely close; almost like brothers.

I don't think Colbert needs you, or anyone, policing his friendships.

[UTUSN]

25. And i don't need anybody policing my wishes.

[jcgoldie]

31. You are completely wrong on Stewart

Russell Brand on the other hand is a complete douchebag.

[UTUSN]

32. Your opinion of my opinion. I supported mine. Yours is an assertion.

The issues that were brought up have been settled. If only a thread could be signed off without rehashing.

To be clearer, your opinion and mine differ, and I can assure you mine won't turn into yours.

[jcgoldie]

33. As is yours

And its one that isnt well researched.