"By the way, most people agree that the country has gone to the left over the past several years"

[BradAllison]

Do you agree?

[Sucha NastyWoman]

1. I think you could find a few specific instances where that is indicated

But also some evidence to show the opposite scenario.

It’s just not real clear yet, at least to me.

[JohnSJ]

2. No

[Coventina]

3. The answer is.....it depends

I'd say the majority of the population have not moved much.

Most of the media and punditry have moved right.

Most of the local governments have moved right.

National government has maybe moved a tiny bit to the left (under Obama and Biden).

The center-right and right have moved to FASCIST.

The center-left and left have moved slightly more left.

That's my 2-cents worth of analysis.

[TheRealNorth]

6. That's they way I see it too.

[lagomorph777]

14. That's about the way I see it.

[greenjar_01]

4. Hmmmm starting threads to criticize something said on another thread

Cool cool cool cool.

[BradAllison]

7. I'll probably be alerted I get that

I'm not naming names. I just find the statement ridiculous.

I'll probably be alerted for the wrong reason now.

What do you think?

[BlueJac]

5. A lot of people have gone off the cliff, of reality!

[ProfessorGAC]

8. A Few Issues, Yes

Legalization of marijuana, broader acceptance of gay marriage, the election of a black man as president, a large majority of taxpayers believing the tax rates need to be more progressive...
All over the last 15 years or so.
Still a ways to go, but in some areas this "move to the left" is essentially accurate.

[rgbecker]

21. Right on.

The laws and government are a little slow on the up take, mostly because of the Electoral College and crazy way we have of selecting Senators (2 per state, regardless of population...LOL), but the population is moving continuously leftward.

[sarisataka]

9. No,

Wishing it was so and it being so is very different

[Firestorm49]

10. I believe that it's an overdue " eye for an eye" result.

[BradAllison]

11. I mean, we had a minority party doing whatever they wanted from 2017-2019

And continuing into 2020.

Where does this come from?

[Ohio Joe]

12. An unattributed quote?

What is the context here? And why are you not giving it up front?

[BradAllison]

13. I'd probably be alerted.

It's on here. Someone already tsk tsked me.

[Ohio Joe]

15. So... What? Are you calling someone out?

This seems very bad form to me. If you have an argument to make to someone, go make it.

[BradAllison]

18. Done. Other people are having no problem addressing the subject itself

If you're troubled, move on.

[Ohio Joe]

23. I am not other people. You are looking for a gotcha and avoiding forum moderation...

I'm sure it will end well for you.

[BradAllison]

27. No gotcha

I know most people here realize anyone making this claim "many people say we are too far left" on DU is out to lunch. And should be treated as such. They are showing their slip.

[Ohio Joe]

29. Yeah, it is a gotcha...

Too far left on what? Compared to what? Now it seems only on DU... Context is king and that you are so worried about giving it says all I need to know. It's a gotcha.... Oh, and I'm glad you at least did not try to defend that you are avoiding forum moderation.

[BradAllison]

31. I love how up to speed you are now

All this after about five posts ago wandering in like "What is going on here?? I seriously have no idea what this might be about???"

[Ohio Joe]

33. And yet you still are not giving context...

The only real clarity you have given is that you are calling out another poster because you do not want to face whomever it is, are afraid of getting a hide and that you are avoiding forum moderation.

[greenjar_01]

19. He edited out the part where this is something said on another thread

Apparently, I tsked tsked loudly enough upthread about flagrant violation of long standing DU practice against second thread call-outs. And yet, here we are.

[BradAllison]

20. Do you agree we've gone "too far left"?

[greenjar_01]

22. You're trying to settle an argument started elsewhere

There's good reason for the rule against starting new threads to call out a poster on another thread.

I'm not interested in your question because it's in bad faith and generally uncool procedurally.

[BradAllison]

25. I started this thread to discuss a larger issue that wasn't related to THAT thread really

You chose to participate in it for META reasons. That you probably only knew about because I copped to it to avoid being accused of being a reich winger, and since I deleted to keep on the topic on point.

That's on you.

[greenjar_01]

26. Whatever

You broke the rule and you continue to have the point in quotations to needle whomever you were arguing with. I'd suggest some more fruitful hobbies.

[Ohio Joe]

24. As I suspected...

Very poor form on the OP's part.

[onecaliberal]

16. The right wing has gone so far right they're driving in space.

The left has moved to protect democracy and the poor. Republicans have a sad that they’re not special or better: in fact it is quite the opposite.

[Mr. Ected]

17. Yes by elections

No by the resulting governments.

[leftstreet]

28. The sentiment of the people, or the legislation?

What does "the country" mean in this example?

[Wounded Bear]

30. In some ways, yes, I agree...

However, it has in no way gone as "far left" as the RW echo chamber is screaming at top volume about.

Since Reagan, there has been a rightward drift, which has become more of a rightward drive over the past 5-10 years. All while the RW pundits have been screaming over and over that we're being overrun by leftist, socialist, communist, (insert favorite RW buzzword here) forces that is turning the US into a hellhole of socialism.



It is far past time for a leftward surge, which started with Obamacare and which the Biden BBB Plan is trying to build on.

We'll see. Right now, the Dem "big tent" policy is biting us in the ass as our own people are torpedoing the social programs better than repubs ever have.



Now, the problem is that repubs are trying to bake in a rightwing minority rule system with their takeover of the courts and their pushing of voter suppression and election rigging schemes. They are scared shitless, because they know that the electorate is drifting left, if only as a reaction to the far-right extremism of the trump admin.

[BradAllison]

32. They've painted Joe Biden as a downright commie

Meanwhile the "pragmatic" Democratic Senator from West Virginia seems to like TFG more than our POTUS.

[Carlitos Brigante]

34. Sounds like a statement grounded in fantasy. Just plain ol' dumb. If you ask me. nt

[ShazamIam]

35. A deeply researched report came out ?2009 or ? that completely dispelled the idea that the people

of the nation had moved right, but the media had and kept repeating the story. I have been looking for where I saved that report, but
It may be on one of my no longer operational computers.

[harumph]

36. Not in any way that undermines the basic power structure.

[NewHendoLib]

37. you must be kidding!?!

[BradAllison]

40. I think it's laughable too.

Where the country has moved left is when you don't put party labels on popular proposals. Much to the chagrin of those trying to hijack our party by claiming they are "moderates".

[ananda]

38. But the corporotacracy rules.

And it favors the nazi fascists who are in the
process of taking over.

They have the courts, and might get Congress
in 22.

[ShazamIam]

39. The people of the nation never moved right, the corporate owned elected turned left. The public

pushed back real hard back in 2008, while the powerful billionaire directed right, used the power of that money to not allow any policy moves to the left, they are still the most powerful actors in the nation.

What do you think, did you get conservative(centrist) or were you always a centrist?

If you are a centrist, can you tell me where they differ from conservatives?