Are Boy Scout abusers necessarily Gay?

[salinen]

I'm rather naive about such subjects, but, I'd bet that there are percentages of these abusers who are not Gay, but ego damaged men who seek control and find easy targets with young boys. Perhaps they're not even classic pedophiles, rather they seek to subordinate another human.

Whichever it is, it's sick, and the Boy Scouts of America have much explaining to do.

[RomneyLies]

1. Gay is Gay. Pedophilia is Pedophilia

The two are completely unrelated.

[slackmaster]

2. Sexual orientation is not the issue

They're mentally ill.

[DURHAM D]

3. Thank you.

[salinen]

7. That makes sense

any other explaination confuses me.

[Fresh_Start]

4. If a person is attracted to prepubescent or young adolescents, they are a pedophile

it doesn't matter whether they are attracted to the same sex or different sex.
The issue is that they are attracted to someone who is not physically or emotionally their equal.
They are preying upon children.

[salinen]

13. What about post pubescent

children? That's where it gets cloudy as far as pedophilia. Many other cultures see that differently.

[hfojvt]

22. that's an epebophile

which often gets conflated with pedophile. In fact, I don't think I heard of the term epebophile until about two years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

[salinen]

26. I've never heard the term

going to look it up. Thanks.

[NotThisTime]

20. Exactly...

[snooper2]

5. this is why I'm pro death penalty

We should just change the law slightly....


Fuck a child, get 30 years...

Fuck a child a second time, get ground up for compost...

[salinen]

8. I'm almost where you are

it's worse than murder in a way.

[MineralMan]

6. There's no relationship between being gay or lesbian and pedophilia.

Pedophilia is its own thing completely, and the incidence of it is pretty much the same across the entire population, without respect to adult sexuality directions. Being gay or straight has nothing to do with it.

[salinen]

9. Do you think Pedophiles

can have "normal" sexual relationships with adults?

[MineralMan]

11. Many do have such relationships.

They are married, have children, etc. But, they are still attracted to children. It's a psychological aberration. But many pedophiles also have adult sexual relationships, too.

[Sgent]

33. Yes

I know of many, many such cases -- the vast majority of perpetrators in the program I worked with had children.

[gollygee]

38. They usually do

Most people who sexually abuse kids sexually abuse their own kids or grandkids or stepkids. They are in heterosexual relationships and abuse the kids they have access to.

[obamanut2012]

10. None are gay -- they are pedophiles

None are straight -- they are pedophiles.

None are bisexual -- they are pedophiles.

[xfundy]

12. They don't allow gays

because gay people wouldn't sit by and take any shit from child molesters. They'd turn them in to the police.

[salinen]

15. excellent point

good on you.

[justiceischeap]

14. More often than not, even if a pedophile abuses someone of the same sex

they are often in adult relationships with someone of the opposite sex. So trying to demonize the LGBTQ community by hanging "gay" on pedophilia doesn't even make sense.

[salinen]

17. but that's what the media

has portrayed this as, not directly, but by having idiots like Tony Perkins and James Dobson on shows.

[justiceischeap]

28. As a lesbian, I'm totally aware of how others and some in the media portray us

They have an agenda and it isn't a good one. A Republican president with the ability to shape the Supreme Court is one of the last things I want.

[Bluenorthwest]

16. Of course not. But you already knew that, and you have research capablities

if you didn't. Why is it that so many of DU's straight people post this sort of 'question'? Is their Google broke? Are they living in a bubble?

[salinen]

18. I was looking for a multiple

of answers. Scientific and emotional.

[brewens]

19. I woman FB friend of mine posts on about every pro-choice, birth control, "legitimate rape"

type issue. She has this guy on her friends list that chimes in with extreme right wack-job talking points. He even goes on about women using birth control being "promiscuous". This is a guy that rented from her and isn't even a IRL friend. He just friended her on FB and she accepted. She describes him as "creepy".

This guy's FB photo is of him in his scout leader uniform. I told my friend that she might have a "live one" there and that I'd keep an eye on him around any kids. She says he's married and has his own kids. That's not even a determining factor as far as I know. I can say for sure that I'd trust every one of my openly gay friends in his position, but not that guy.

[salinen]

24. super creepy

why I don't facebook.

[CurtEastPoint]

21. Being nosey, I looked through about 50 of these reports the other day and 'homosexual' is

used quite frequently in them. Admittedly, they ranged from about 1961 through the 80s but the term appeared often.

See: http://kosnoff.com/BSA-perversion-by-name.pdf

[salinen]

23. When you say "these reports"

what reports are those that you've seen?

[CurtEastPoint]

30. The 'perversion files' produced by the bsa and the courts. nt

[salinen]

32. Oops,

scrolled down and saw that. Thanks.

[gollygee]

25. Men who are heterosexual and are pedophiles sometimes abuse girls, sometimes boys

I was a newspaper reporter for years, and the small town where I worked had the "honor" of having one of the highest child sexual abuse rates per capita in the country one year, and I studied this issue and wrote a bunch of articles about it. Men who are attracted to women often abuse boys. The two issues are not related.

[Arkana]

27. No.

However, the Boy Scout abusers are sick fuckers.

[Aristus]

29. There was a study that was published in 1988, although I don't think the numbers have changed

appreciably since then. It was a study of incarcerated pedophiles and one of the study inquiries was how each pedophile self-described his sexual orientation; heterosexual or homosexual. 98% of them responded 'heterosexual'. Only 2% self-described as 'homosexual'. 2% is lower than the percentage of gays in the general population. So statistically, gays are less likely to be pedophiles than straights.

[sharkman25]

31. To be "gay" is to participate in sexual intercourse with others of the same gender. n/t

[lame54]

34. mutually

[gollygee]

36. To be gay is to have affection and romantic attraction to adults of the same gender

It isn't just about sex, as anyone is physically capable of having sex with anyone else. Sex is a behavior, not an trait.

And men who are attracted to women are the people who usually sexually abuse boys. Sexual abuse isn't related to homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Also, someone can be gay and celibate.

[sharkman25]

42. I agree with your headline n/t

[yardwork]

37. Actually, that's not correct. Being "gay" is much more than sexual intercourse.

Straight people can and do have sex sometimes with people of the same gender. That doesn't make them gay. Being gay means that one's affections and passions are stirred by people of the same sex. It's much more than sex.

[sharkman25]

43. hmm..

you say Straight people can and do have sex sometimes with people of the same gender. That doesn't make them gay. Being gay means that one's affections and passions are stirred by people of the same sex. It's much more than sex.

Well, if being gay means that one's affections and passions are stirred by people of the same sex, than the moment that someone who is "straight" experiences passions stirred by people of the same sex, he/she becomes gay under your explanation.

[gollygee]

44. People might have sex for reasons other than affections and passions being stirred

Maybe they're just curious. The underlying issue is that sex is a behavior and being gay is a trait. The trait is not defined by the behavior.

[yardwork]

45. Do you think that people only have sex when their passions are stirred?

[justiceischeap]

39. So, if a gay person hasn't had sex, in like, 10 years

that makes them straight by your definition. I'm sure some celibate LGBT folks will be shocked to hear that.

[yardwork]

35. This OP is extremely offensive. Gay people are no more likely to be pedophiles than straight people.

Your OP attempts to equate being gay with being a pedophile. They are completely different things. Please self-delete this deeply offensive OP. Your efforts to "question" this equivalency and your claim to be naive are not fooling me. This is the worst kind of concern post.

[salinen]

40. This OP is "attempting" nothing

So what do you think about Chem trails?

[sharkman25]

41. "offensive" is a subjective term. n/t

[Egalitarian Thug]

46. PEDOPHILIA IS NOT HOMOSEXUALITY! Does anybody know anything anymore? n/t