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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(136,735 posts)
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:18 PM Oct 2021

Air Force is first to face troops' rejection of vaccine mandate as thousands avoid shots

Up to 12,000 Air Force personnel have rejected orders to get fully vaccinated against the coronavirus despite a Pentagon mandate and officials say it is too late for them to do so by Tuesday's deadline, posing a first major test for military leaders whose August directive has been met with defiance among a segment of the force.

The vast majority of active-duty airmen, 96.4%, are at least partially vaccinated, according to data from the Air Force. But officials have warned that, barring an approved medical or religious exemption, those who defy lawful orders to be fully immunized are subject to punishment, including possible dismissal from the service or they could be charged in the military justice system.

The challenge now confronting Air Force leaders - how to address potential large-scale dissent in the face of a top health priority that has been deeply politicized - is a bellwether for the dilemma that's in store across the military's other services, which have staggered compliance deadlines ranging from the end of November to the middle of next summer and in some cases have experienced far greater resistance to President Joe Biden's mandate.

A wave of dismissals could jolt the Air Force personnel system and cause significant challenges within units that must be ready to respond to crises at a moment's notice, especially if some vital jobs - like pilots or aircraft maintainers - are overrepresented among those who could face expulsion, said Katherine Kuzminski, a military policy expert at the Washington think tank Center for a New American Security.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-force-first-face-troops-224930865.html

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Air Force is first to face troops' rejection of vaccine mandate as thousands avoid shots (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 OP
DUMP them bluestarone Oct 2021 #1
I agree. They're being un-American. To be a part of our Armed Forces you should be vac rockfordfile Oct 2021 #13
AF requires a variety of vaccinations to my knowledge. even as an AF brat had to have msongs Oct 2021 #2
3.6% is not "large-scale dissent" tinrobot Oct 2021 #3
+1, we just have a huge standing military so that number sounds large. Dump then uponit7771 Oct 2021 #18
Math is hard for some journalists;I'm pretty sick of this kind of "reporting." Also, US Navy already Hekate Oct 2021 #21
I thought the failure to obey an order from the CIC or another ranking officer was grounds for sinkingfeeling Oct 2021 #4
Isn't Colorado Springs a right wing hot bed? dem4decades Oct 2021 #5
Yep. Are we seeing the results of 20 plus years of right wing Christian pollution? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2021 #6
That's what I was thinking--very Evangelical catrose Oct 2021 #7
Colorado Springs has nothing to do with this. former9thward Oct 2021 #26
Let them go...the MIC needs to downsize anyway. Sancho Oct 2021 #8
+1 walkingman Oct 2021 #11
Don't need them mchill Oct 2021 #9
Just penalize. nt BootinUp Oct 2021 #10
Orders are orders. I'm sure the AF will survive. Baked Potato Oct 2021 #12
We are no longer at war. If they refuse the shoot discharge them from the service. twin_ghost Oct 2021 #14
They are fn fascist trumpers discharge them. Don't need these nutjobs around weapons of war. Thomas Hurt Oct 2021 #15
What does the military do Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #16
Throw 'em in Levinworth*. Whatthe_Firetruck Oct 2021 #17
The military does not "throw" people into Leavenworth. former9thward Oct 2021 #27
that is Leavenworth, please. demigoddess Oct 2021 #30
Sorry for the misspelling... Whatthe_Firetruck Oct 2021 #31
Discharge, no pension, no benefits. Didn't follow orders. ZonkerHarris Oct 2021 #19
Pensions are legally vested. former9thward Oct 2021 #28
OK. tanyev Oct 2021 #20
Follow the lead of the US Navy and advise these yokels they are about to lose their commissions... Hekate Oct 2021 #22
This doesn't surprise me in the least... SKKY Oct 2021 #23
Back in the mid 80's the military had no problem telling us. we didn't have a choice. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #24
End of their careers. They'll be separated. Wingus Dingus Oct 2021 #25
And what happens Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #29
 

rockfordfile

(8,742 posts)
13. I agree. They're being un-American. To be a part of our Armed Forces you should be vac
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:46 PM
Oct 2021

We have 700k Americans dead from covid. We know that Russia have been behind the lies against our vaccines. So to be in our Armed Forces and basically supporting Russia should be a red flag.

msongs

(74,022 posts)
2. AF requires a variety of vaccinations to my knowledge. even as an AF brat had to have
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:21 PM
Oct 2021

them esp when we got sent to the tropics

tinrobot

(12,100 posts)
3. 3.6% is not "large-scale dissent"
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:21 PM
Oct 2021

Sure, 12,000 sounds like a large number, but it isn't when viewed as a percentage.

Charge them or discharge them. Good riddance.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
21. Math is hard for some journalists;I'm pretty sick of this kind of "reporting." Also, US Navy already
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:00 AM
Oct 2021

… dealt with their own recalcitrant folks (or soon will, it was announced a couple of weeks ago). Consequences are loss of commission, discharge, and (I love this part) reimbursment of Uncle Sam for all the education they received.

sinkingfeeling

(57,921 posts)
4. I thought the failure to obey an order from the CIC or another ranking officer was grounds for
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:22 PM
Oct 2021

dismissal or court martial.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
26. Colorado Springs has nothing to do with this.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 01:01 AM
Oct 2021

That is where the academy is. Most people in the air force never see or have anything to do with the academy.

mchill

(1,190 posts)
9. Don't need them
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:28 PM
Oct 2021

Teaching our children,
Caring for the sick,
And certainly not defending us from their version of freedom.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
12. Orders are orders. I'm sure the AF will survive.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:43 PM
Oct 2021

The armed forces must do exactly what the directives and orders stated with regard to repercussions. This is just another inevitable process to work through.

If nothing happens and the non-vaxxers are left to disobey orders, then we may as well expect other orders will be laughed away too.

twin_ghost

(435 posts)
14. We are no longer at war. If they refuse the shoot discharge them from the service.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:47 PM
Oct 2021

They don't need to use the UCMJ. The discharge would be a simple for the good of the service. One thing you learn in the military is that everyone is replaceable.


Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
16. What does the military do
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:56 PM
Oct 2021

when someone refuses to take vaccines when they first join? Whatever it is, do that.

Whatthe_Firetruck

(610 posts)
17. Throw 'em in Levinworth*.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 09:59 PM
Oct 2021

Failure to obey a lawful order. That'll hurt them worse than dishonorable discharges.

(*For the civilians here, that's military prison.)

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
27. The military does not "throw" people into Leavenworth.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 01:06 AM
Oct 2021

Only specific crimes are eligible for that type of sentence and this is not one of them.

demigoddess

(6,675 posts)
30. that is Leavenworth, please.
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 01:47 AM
Oct 2021

as a born military brat, I say kick them out. Leavenworth is too good for them.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
22. Follow the lead of the US Navy and advise these yokels they are about to lose their commissions...
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:03 AM
Oct 2021

and have to reimburse Uncle Sam for the cost of their educations. Wakey-wakey, guys.

SKKY

(12,806 posts)
23. This doesn't surprise me in the least...
Sat Oct 30, 2021, 12:21 AM
Oct 2021

...having been stationed at joint commands for the majority of my 20-year Navy career, I found the Air Force to be the most conservative branch of the armed forces by a country mile.

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