"The Most Damning Jan 6th Revelation Yet"

[LymphocyteLover]

New Emails Show Trump and Eastman Saw the Insurrectionists as the Foot Soldiers of the Coup. They Cheered Them on and Used Them in Real Time.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-most-damning-jan-6th-revelation-yet

As I have noted in other recent posts, much of the recent ‘news’ about the insurrection has not been terribly new. It’s repackaged versions of things we knew or additional evidence and detail. This story published last night in the Post is one of the biggest revelations I’ve seen to date. John Eastman is the Federalist Society right wing law professor who wrote up the legal gloss for the President’s coup plot. It created the connective tissue joining the coup plot within the government with the paramilitary violence that broke out on Capitol Hill on January 6th.

The Post has emails – presumably emerging out of the committee investigation – of what happened during the insurrection. As the insurrectionists were storming the Capitol and Pence was holed up in a secure location as they hunted for him and members of Congress, Eastman emailed Pence and his top aide saying that the insurrection was Pence’s fault for not going through with the coup plot. With the President’s supporters ransacking the Capitol Eastman demanded Pence shift course and do the right thing.

These exchanges capture something we suspect and know in some way. But here we’re getting the details, the documentary evidence. Eastman didn’t recoil when the President’s rally escalated to violence. He clearly saw the inside coup plot and the insurrectionists on the street as part of the same effort. This isn’t surprising to most of us. The insurrectionists were laying siege to Pence in the Capitol because Pence wasn’t going along with the plan. And the answer was to go along with the plan. Eastman recognized the insurrection as the paramilitary wing of the coup plot he was part of and as the Capitol was under siege used it as a cudgel to force Pence’s hand.

Again, this won’t come to a shock to many of us. But here we’re getting the receipts. At least the first of them. To date the actions of Eastman, the President, his various coconspirators – during the hours of the assault on the Capitol – have largely been a black box even as we’ve learned more and more granular detail of the ransacking of the Capitol itself. We’ve had brief glimpses in reported accounts. There was the notorious phone call between Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and Trump in which McCarthy demanded Trump call off his insurrectionists. Trump notoriously responded, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

I can't how we can just let this slide. It's so disgusting and criminal and has to be prosecuted.

[malaise]

1. But but but

Didn't the Slobfather and his goons blame BLM and antifa?
Lock them up!

[rurallib]

2. Does this also indicate that Pence had previously agreed to take part in the plot?

"Eastman emailed Pence and his top aide saying that the insurrection was Pence’s fault for not going through with the coup plot."

That sounds to me like Eastman thought Pence had agreed to do his part but then backed out. No wonder he wouldn't get into that car. I'd be pretty wary of what they might do to me also, especially if they thought Pence had turned on them.

[Rebl2]

4. Good observation

[Ligyron]

7. Didn't Pence make a speech indicating that he would go along with it?

Something about he wanted to see justice done or the process was going to be carried out and everything resolved satisfactorily if I remember right. it sure sounded like he was with them and the Audience thought so too and cheered. Had this look on his face like, “I got this” to mollify the base until it was too late.

[Poiuyt]

15. Pense actually called Dan Quayle, of all people, to see if it would be legal for him to do this

At least Quayle said there was nothing in the Constitution that would allow him to overthrow the electors.

[rurallib]

19. Which I think also indicates Pence had agreed to join in

but was looking for some cover.

[dem4decades]

3. And yet the DOJ does nothing. Wake me up when democracy ends.

[rurallib]

5. Don't worry - the knock on the door will wake you.

[triron]

12. Garland is a chicken.

We need a tiger.

[dem4decades]

18. So was Mueller, I've learned to expect nothing and be less disappointed.

[triron]

24. I try not to get too emotionally invested but it's hard.

Nothing I can do really except treat myself well.

[Septua]

6. "I can't how we can just let this slide. It's so disgusting and criminal and has to be prosecuted."

Absolutely agree.

[Farmer-Rick]

8. Let's see what we got here

We got a bunch of people including Trump wanting to stop Pence from counting and certifying the electoral votes as required by law and the US Constitution.

These people, who were plotting to stop the legal execution of constitutional requirements, should have loyalty to the US Constitution because many of them took oaths saying just that.

They plotted to use the crowd of protesters to stop and/or murder Pence.

Seems to me we have all the elements of Treason under the Constitution as Levying War against the United States.

Keep digging up facts and documenting what these traitors did because there is no statute of limitations on Treason. Maybe years from now, someone will gain a backbone and file charges against these traitors. They will always have these charges hanging over their heads. All of them from Trump to Miller to the federalist society, will have these charges waiting for one brave prosecutor.

[triron]

13. Watch out for the naysayers.

[LymphocyteLover]

20. "no statute of limitations on Treason"-- I like the sound of that!

[Guilded Lilly]

9. Giving a kick because when I try to comment, my fingers start screaming. ACCOUNTABILITY. Damn it.

[Brainfodder]

10. How does this end without a bunch of executions?

Back in the day..... Lincoln even.

[LymphocyteLover]

21. I'm against the death penalty...

except for goddamned insurrectionist traitors working from the freaking Oval office of the White House, FFS.

[stopdiggin]

11. appears to be reading things in

to a certain degree

-"Eastman recognized the insurrection as the paramilitary wing of the coup plot he was part of .."-

There doesn't appear to be anything in what we've seen from Eastman to this point (including this link or the WP article) - that has any suggestion of foreknowledge of a 'paramilitary wing' or a storming of the capital. Rather than a paramilitary action Eastman's scheme was predicated on something more like a parliamentary maneuver. The problem has always been (and remains) to draw a substantive link between Eastman (and/or other WH players and schemes) and the actual storming of the Capital. And this material, despite assertions like made in the clip above, does not provide that.

[Poiuyt]

16. Weren't there Oath Keepers or Proud Boys in the Jan 5 War Room?

If so, that would signal a connection between the WH and the paramilitary wing of the insurrectionists.

[stopdiggin]

17. were they?

I had not heard that previously

[LymphocyteLover]

22. Yes, and Eastman was in those meetings

[stopdiggin]

25. I'm finding little evidence of

actual riot participants in attendance at war room strategy sessions. Could just be missing it - but my suspicion is that it would be running in capital letters all over the media. Again, I don't think your claim of Eastman's foreknowledge of the storming, or it's participants, is substantiated. And, absent that, I'm not willing to call it part of his agenda or scheme.

[LymphocyteLover]

26. little evidence or no evidence?

Even one would be significant.

[stopdiggin]

27. how about 'real' evidence?

(so we don't go round and round in rhetorical games)
You're OP flatly made the assertion that Eastman was fully aware of a 'paramilitary' wing as adjunct to his political schemes and roadmap. The articles linked here (plus any others sources I have access to) don't substantiate that. Do you have any (real) evidence that this assertion is true? Can you attest to the fact that Eastman 'knew' there were going to be people roaming the Capital looking to kill Mike Pence on Jan. 6th?

[LymphocyteLover]

28. I would bet a lot of money on that being true but probably cannot give evidence

that would satisfy you

[stopdiggin]

29. and I'm not going there

(or making statements attesting to something like that) until I see some evidence. And I think both of us have adequately mapped out where we stand on this.
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[LymphocyteLover]

30. Yes, understood. But I will say that it is very likely that evidence is already out there

in the public domain and we just don't have enough time and energy to find it.

[flying_wahini]

14. It just makes the next elections even more important.

[LymphocyteLover]

31. exactly

[dalton99a]

23. Kick