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babylonsister

(172,804 posts)
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:09 AM Nov 2021

Justices Kagan and Sotomayor Weren't Taking Any Bullshit at SCOTUS' Texas Abortion Hearing


Justices Kagan and Sotomayor Weren’t Taking Any Bullshit at SCOTUS’ Texas Abortion Hearing
“The provisions in this law have prevented every woman in Texas from exercising a constitutional right.”
Andrea Guzman


On Monday, the US Supreme Court heard oral arguments on Texas’s law prohibiting abortions after six weeks, a near-total ban. The pair of cases—Whole Woman’s Health v. Jackson and United States v. Texas—were marathon sessions with little mention of the thousands of people who have already faced the consequences of the ban. Amid a lot of abstract legal arguments, there was a distinct bright spot: a few real zingers from Justices Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor.

Kagan made it clear from the beginning of the hearing that she was not amused by Texas lawmakers’ strategy around legal precedent. During talk of a 1908 case known as Ex parte Young that held that state officials could be sued in federal court to prevent them from enforcing unconstitutional laws, she sarcastically pointed out how the Texas ban skirts that rule by having private citizens sue to enforce the law. “So, some geniuses came up with a way to evade Ex Parte Young and the broader principle that states cannot nullify federal constitutional rights,” Kagan said.

And Kagan didn’t mince words in describing how Texas’ law has already hurt pregnant people. Since going into effect in September, the law has caused a strain on out of state clinics taking in Texas patients and others to seek self-managed abortions. Abortions in a clinic setting have all but stopped in Texas. So when Texas solicitor general Judd Stone II claimed that the ban was just “hypothetical,” Kagan issued a scathing rebuke: “The provisions in this law have prevented every woman in Texas from exercising a constitutional right, as declared by this court. That’s not a hypothetical. That’s an actual.”

At some points, Kagan challenged her fellow justices. When conservative members expressed skepticism about whether the federal government can sue to block the law, Kagan argued that shielding Texas from federal lawsuits would encourage other states to follow suit. “We would be inviting states to try to nullify the law that this court has laid down,” Kagan said “That was something that, until this law came along, no state dreamed of doing.”

Sotomayor, too, delivered some searing remarks. She had previously questioned the $10,000 award for citizens who sue someone for performing or aiding an abortion and receive a $10,000 award if they win—her September dissent said plaintiffs essentially serve as “bounty hunters.” So she put pressure on Stone during some back-and-forth when he claimed there is no deputization of individuals targeting those who go against SB 8.

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/11/justices-kagan-and-sotomayor-werent-taking-any-bullshit-at-scotus-texas-abortion-hearing/
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Justices Kagan and Sotomayor Weren't Taking Any Bullshit at SCOTUS' Texas Abortion Hearing (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2021 OP
I agree with Justice Kagan, but she is mistaken about nullification. malthaussen Nov 2021 #1
I'm not a lawyer, but she specified "that this court has laid down" rather than Federal laws spooky3 Nov 2021 #9
Sotomayor WHITT Nov 2021 #2
ZOMG, I love Justice Sotomayor! intheflow Nov 2021 #4
Well, why wouldn't they? They're women. calimary Nov 2021 #3
That's Amy Coathanger Barrett. MontanaMama Nov 2021 #7
Ooooooh, I LIKE that one! Amy Coathanger Barrett! calimary Nov 2021 #8
Spread it far and wide. MontanaMama Nov 2021 #11
Eager to! calimary Nov 2021 #12
The men without uterises outnumber the women on the Court bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #5
I enjoyed listening to these oral arguments LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #6
Was there ever better evidence as to why exclusion of highly qualified women from spooky3 Nov 2021 #10

malthaussen

(18,629 posts)
1. I agree with Justice Kagan, but she is mistaken about nullification.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:18 AM
Nov 2021

Plenty of states have ignored Federal laws that they found onerous. Sometimes for the best of reasons, as with the states that refused to observe the Fugitive Slave Laws.

-- Mal

spooky3

(38,865 posts)
9. I'm not a lawyer, but she specified "that this court has laid down" rather than Federal laws
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 02:26 PM
Nov 2021

in general. I don't know if that difference is important.

calimary

(90,796 posts)
3. Well, why wouldn't they? They're women.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 01:27 PM
Nov 2021

They understand this issue better than any man (and Amy Coney Island) possibly could.

calimary

(90,796 posts)
8. Ooooooh, I LIKE that one! Amy Coathanger Barrett!
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 02:18 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:20 PM - Edit history (1)

Mind if I borrow it?

bucolic_frolic

(55,823 posts)
5. The men without uterises outnumber the women on the Court
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 01:51 PM
Nov 2021

The ignorant majority will prevail on things they know nothing about but they do enjoy dominating the fairer sex

spooky3

(38,865 posts)
10. Was there ever better evidence as to why exclusion of highly qualified women from
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 02:30 PM
Nov 2021

USSC appointments until recently was so wrong?

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