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Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:37 PM

A story I heard today, regarding American Airlines.


I got my haircut today. My stylist told me one of her clients recently flew American. Before departure, the captain got on the intercom and said: "If you harass, menace or so much as touch any of the crew, the police will be waiting for you when we land."

Sad it has to come to that.

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Reply A story I heard today, regarding American Airlines. (Original post)
shrike3 Nov 2021 OP
róisín_dubh Nov 2021 #1
MissB Nov 2021 #2
JanMichael Nov 2021 #33
Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #3
Aussie105 Nov 2021 #17
Irish_Dem Nov 2021 #21
Tetrachloride Nov 2021 #4
Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #7
Hekate Nov 2021 #8
ShazzieB Nov 2021 #30
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #13
COL Mustard Nov 2021 #22
niyad Nov 2021 #34
COL Mustard Nov 2021 #40
KS Toronado Nov 2021 #68
geardaddy Nov 2021 #70
niyad Nov 2021 #71
Hekate Nov 2021 #5
DeeNice Nov 2021 #6
Walleye Nov 2021 #10
nilram Nov 2021 #23
Walleye Nov 2021 #31
niyad Nov 2021 #37
COL Mustard Nov 2021 #24
Walleye Nov 2021 #28
leftinalabama Nov 2021 #32
COL Mustard Nov 2021 #39
trof Nov 2021 #41
robbob Nov 2021 #64
BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #9
Rebl2 Nov 2021 #18
Silent3 Nov 2021 #46
dickthegrouch Nov 2021 #47
ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #67
DFW Nov 2021 #11
bahboo Nov 2021 #14
tavernier Nov 2021 #65
LittleGirl Nov 2021 #16
shrike3 Nov 2021 #25
IronLionZion Nov 2021 #45
trof Nov 2021 #48
BlueMTexpat Nov 2021 #12
Aussie105 Nov 2021 #19
shrike3 Nov 2021 #26
NJCher Nov 2021 #60
BlueMTexpat Nov 2021 #61
LittleGirl Nov 2021 #15
róisín_dubh Nov 2021 #76
Lonestarblue Nov 2021 #20
shrike3 Nov 2021 #29
W T F Nov 2021 #27
keithbvadu2 Nov 2021 #35
wryter2000 Nov 2021 #36
keithbvadu2 Nov 2021 #54
vapor2 Nov 2021 #56
ShazzieB Nov 2021 #38
LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #42
Kablooie Nov 2021 #50
uponit7771 Nov 2021 #43
calimary Nov 2021 #44
Kablooie Nov 2021 #49
Deep State Witch Nov 2021 #51
Skittles Nov 2021 #52
CaptainTruth Nov 2021 #53
shrike3 Nov 2021 #59
Cryptoad Nov 2021 #55
ancianita Nov 2021 #57
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2021 #58
whathehell Nov 2021 #62
The Jungle 1 Nov 2021 #63
tavernier Nov 2021 #66
shrike3 Nov 2021 #77
tavernier Nov 2021 #81
shrike3 Nov 2021 #82
sheilahi Nov 2021 #69
packman Nov 2021 #72
Aristus Nov 2021 #73
shrike3 Nov 2021 #78
jcgoldie Nov 2021 #74
Orrex Nov 2021 #75
7wo7rees Nov 2021 #79
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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:39 PM

1. Same.

I’ve flown a few times since August and I’ve heard variations on that theme.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:39 PM

2. That's a heck of a Welcome Aboard

But yes sadly necessary

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Response to MissB (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:43 PM

33. This is your Captain speaking - Welcome aboard, buckle up, but don't screw up! You will be...

...arrested when we land and beaten until we land. Have a great flight and enjoy the complementary salted nuts and duct tape.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:39 PM

3. About damn time the captain gets control of the aircraft.

Way over due.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:39 PM

17. Dad is driving this car . . .

and you kids in the back had better behave, or it will go bad for you once we stop.
You been warned, ok? No stuffing around!

Happens all the time.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:01 PM

21. Much needed since more and more Americans are acting like oppositional and defiant children.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:49 PM

4. Are the vast majority of these airline incidents due to Americans ?

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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:59 PM

7. Yes.

It’s mostly been Americans who throw a fit of having to wear their mask. Bunch of whiny toddlers.

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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:59 PM

8. Homeland Security would have been all over it if they were foreigners. Homegrown thugs...

Ain’t we proud.


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Response to Hekate (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:33 PM

30. Especially if they were *cough* brown foreigners!

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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:32 PM

13. The US should have a travel ban for violent dangerous Americans

oh wait...

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:11 PM

22. Let 'Em Travel

They can ride in the hold with the pets.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:45 PM

34. What do you have against pets?

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Response to niyad (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:05 PM

40. Guess I Deserved That One!

I'll go poop in the corner now.....

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:55 AM

68. LOL, great response!

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Response to niyad (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:41 AM

70. I say put the pets in first class

They deserve it!

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #70)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:47 AM

71. Absolutely agree!

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:56 PM

5. About damn time. I hope the passengers broke out in applause...

I remain afraid to fly — and potential violence is right up there with COVID. This has got to end.


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Response to Hekate (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 03:58 PM

6. I was just about to say I would've applauded. Standing O if not for the seat belt...

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Response to Hekate (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:18 PM

10. Me too. Nephew getting married in Alabama next week. I'm staying home there's also Covid

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Response to Walleye (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:12 PM

23. My sister's 70th is in about a week. Across the country.

Thinking I'll spend my flying money on a big bunch of roses for her--and maybe one for me, too.

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Response to nilram (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:34 PM

31. Sounds like a very sensible plan to me

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Response to nilram (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:49 PM

37. Most wise!

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Response to Walleye (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:12 PM

24. Where In Alabama?

Just curious since I grew up in Mobile.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:33 PM

28. That's it, Mobile his fianc is from there. Going to be a big wedding been planned for over a year

My brothers are going, one is my nephews father. But I am not that long past chemo, even though I think I’m cancer free now, I just don’t wanna risk it especially since I’m not into formal occasions. I will be interested in hearing from my brothers what Mobile was like. I went through there when working for the newspaper and covering the Katrina aftermath, so it’s hard to tell at that point when everything was out of power. But the people were wonderful and the churches were out right away taking care of families

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:38 PM

32. Glad you escaped Mobile

Col Mustard. I live in Mobile and you aren’t missing much except the crazies are even more brazen now. Great place to live really being on the gulf and the bay, but the political atmosphere is as you would expect it to be in south Alabama.

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Response to leftinalabama (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:04 PM

39. I Was There Over The Summer

Visiting my 90-something mother. Most of the people were fine, but I'm sure were not vaxxed, and no masks anywhere.

What part of town are you in?

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Response to leftinalabama (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:11 PM

41. Hey left

I'm in Foley.

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Response to COL Mustard (Reply #24)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 07:37 AM

64. Has to be done:

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:01 PM

9. They should be charged with a Felony

That could follow them for the rest of their lives.

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:43 PM

18. Absolutely!

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:24 PM

46. It certainly causes felony-level damage

Hundreds of people arriving late, possibly missing connections, and all of the inconvenience and expense that can follow for both airlines and passengers after that, these hissy fits (even when non-violent) aren't mere misdemeanor-level offenses by those standards.

People can end up missing important business or family events. Whole vacations can be ruined by a missed flight.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #46)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:39 PM

47. Not to mention the expense to the airline

Of an unscheduled landing and takeoff again. It takes thousands of pounds of fuel to get an airplane into the air. A relatively small amount is used either in stable flight or landing.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #46)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:19 AM

67. It's Already A Felony

Federal law. I looked it up out of curiosity.
Apparently, enforcement isn't as strict as it could be.
AAL publicly stating they will press charges may help.
Buttagieg needs to stop threatening using yhe no fly lizt, & just do it.
I've flown over 1,200 times and still would find it high stress to be on a plane with an OOC passenger on board.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:24 PM

11. I'd be happy if American Airlines checked us in for the flight we were booked on

The last time we tried (2 X $7000 business class fares Frankfurt-Dallas, this was the return leg) to fly American, they deliberately ignored us for almost 2 hours at the check-in counter (flight probably overbooked), and told us to get lost and come back the next day. We would have been better off on Albanian Airlines, and I don't even know if there IS an Albanian Airlines!

Needless to say, it would never have occurred to us to harass, menace or touch the crew. Too bad the airline had no such inhibitions about harassing us.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:36 PM

14. every once in a great while, I have to fly American....

instead of my usual airline. And EVERY damn time, something goes wrong with the flight, either a big delay, something in flight....whatever. The hell are the odds of that? I think they're a disgrace....

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Response to bahboo (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:01 AM

65. Yup.

Agree, based on experience.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:39 PM

16. We've had good results with Swiss air. Eom

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:14 PM

25. Yikes. I had something similar happen with United.


I let the clerk know how I felt. In retrospect, I wish I hadn't. That was in the good old days, when no one thought about punching a flight attendant.

Sorry that happened to you.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:19 PM

45. I hate the practice of overbooking

they're trying to squeeze as many as they can and frequently overdo it and could care less if their passengers are stranded or face expensive problems. I've been kicked off an AA flight after boarding, because those idiots gave boarding passes to too many people knowing it was overbooked. My luggage went without me.

They should have given you a voucher or put you on a later flight. Sounds like the staff at the counter were bad.

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Response to DFW (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:54 PM

48. Yeah, flying pretty much sux now.

I was an airline pilot for 30+ years in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
It really saddens me to see what's happened to air transport.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:26 PM

12. During my recent

visit to the US, I flew on eight different flights within the US (sorry about the carbon footprint, but my family are scattered about). Four were American Airlines flights.

I am happy to report that ALL passengers on every flight, as well as those I dealt with in the airports - four flights were in "red" states - were courteous and followed the rules.

While I am sorry to hear about ANY incidents where passengers have behaved otherwise - and yes, IMO such individuals should be banned from flying altogether - I would like to believe that they are in the minority. Per my own experiences, they are.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:44 PM

19. It might help . . .

to stop serving alcohol on planes?

Juicing up people who are constrained inside a tin can for hours always seemed a bad idea to me.

Or add a mild sedative to the plane's air conditioning.

Just putting the ideas out there.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:16 PM

26. I've thought myself, re alcohol.


A sedative in the air conditioning, interesting idea, hmmm.

Air travel has not been very pleasant in a long time. But then, the last international flight I took was to Africa. Arduous.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:06 AM

60. in almost every instance I've heard of

alcohol was a factor.

They should just try it, saying it's for the short-term, and see how it works.

This is probably the fastest, least expensive (partial) solution to the problem.

If it only worked 80% of the time, that would be a significant improvement.

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 02:27 AM

61. No alcohol was served

on any domestic flights that I was on.

They only served water or soda.

Alcohol was served on both my transatlantic flights. The flight to the US was absolutely full.

The flight from the US had lots of room and was one of the most comfortable flights I have taken in a long time.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:37 PM

15. I flew recently

But international flights seem really civilized compared to these reports.
Those entitled brats need to grow up.

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:23 AM

76. Exactly.

I've flown Delta, British Airways and United between London and New York or Washington recently.

No alcohol has been served on ANY domestic flights I've been on in recent months. They are on the TransAtlantics. Lots of incidents with violence on domestic flights (no booze) but rare, if any, on TranAtlantic flights (with booze).
So I don't blame all of this on alcohol.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 04:52 PM

20. I was on both domestic and international flights on American this past summer.

All flights were calm, but the pilots did make announcements about behavior. No one objected to wearing masks, and I was lucky that no flights were cancelled or delayed. I flew American a lot in past years (mostly for work then) because they offer more flights and if one gets cancelled there was usually another flight I could get on. I even had a gate agent greet me at the end of a flight that had been delayed leaving LaGuardia for Dallas and I had only a few minutes to catch the flight to Austin. The agent escorted me to my gate and said they were holding the plane. I think those days are completely gone!

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:33 PM

29. That happened to me once, too.


My flight from Rome came in late. I was told the plane was being held for me. I was like those old Hertz commercials, running through the airport. I think those days are gone, yes.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:26 PM

27. Not surprised, I had to remove a non compliant passenger yesterday for not wearing a face mask.

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Response to W T F (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:45 PM

35. Yet they had to wear one to get onto the plane.

Yet they had to wear one to get onto the plane.

And to get to the ticket gate before that?

Then they get nasty.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:46 PM

36. What I heard about United Airlines

Heard on Stephanie Miller: pilots have permission to set down at the next airport if a passenger refuses to wear his/her mask.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:40 PM

54. And charge that passenger for the extra cost of diverting the plane.

And charge that passenger for the extra cost of diverting the plane.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #54)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:17 PM

56. These people need to go on the NO FLY lists period

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 05:50 PM

38. I am glad they're doing this!

As some have said, it's sad that they have to do this. But I am very, very glad to hear it's happening.

It may be time to start doing this on all domestic flights in the U.S., as well as international flights leaving or returning to the U.S. Since the idiots that are losing whatever's left of their freaking minds on airplanes are evidently mostly Americans, an extra measure of caution on flights that are apt to have a lot of American passengers seems reasonable to me.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:12 PM

42. Passengers should understand violence is not acceptable behavior.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:03 PM

50. The MAGA contingent would beg to disagree with you.

Or rather they would scream at you to shut up.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:14 PM

43. K&R, Just flew on AA ... they are not going to take any more crap from stupid assed anti maskers

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 06:18 PM

44. GOOD!

Maybe that has to be part of the fasten-your-seatbelts-and-here’s-where-the-oxygen-mask-is speech now.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:02 PM

49. Welcome to the wonderful world of Donald Trump.

And Fox News.

And soon SCOTUS may soon make it legal for anyone to carry a gun anywhere in the US.
Wheee.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:17 PM

51. Good

One of my friends is a flight attendant on American. I'm worried for her.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 07:24 PM

53. We applauded the captain on our recent flight from Milan to Newark.

Before we pushed back from the gate he spelled out the mask policy & said that if anyone had a problem with following those requirements they should press their call button now so that they could be escorted off the plane.

Then he added "We'll be happy to find another way for you to get to Newark but it will not be aboard this aircraft."

I started clapping & about half the passengers joined in the applause.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #53)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:30 PM

59. Wow, that's great. He handled it very well.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:52 PM

55. Here is novel idea,,,

No vax, No Fly!!!!!!! that would cure that, ,,,, but now their being batshit crazy

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:21 PM

57. The soul of America is oppositionally defiant adolescents fearful of having to grow the fuck up.

It only takes one to spoil anything for the rest of us. And they know it. And media feed that drama.


Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD)[1] is listed in the DSM-5 under Disruptive, impulse-control, and conduct disorders and defined as "a pattern of angry/irritable mood, argumentative/defiant behavior, or vindictiveness".[2] This behavior is usually targeted toward peers, parents, teachers, and other authority figures


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder#Social-cognitive_factors

ODD. That's what it is.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:28 PM

58. Reminds me more of a trip on a Greyhound bus...

... that I took a few years ago.

The (black) driver was immediately on the intercom describing what he'd do if any of the passengers were caught shooting heroin, smoking, etc.

He also said that he'd slam on the brakes, even on the interstate, if anyone dared to approach him as he was driving. If a passenger crossed a particular line on the floor near him, he'd hit the brakes to throw them through the windshield.

After that, I pretty much EXPECTED to see that kind of behavior. (But it never happened.) And I never rode a Greyhound bus ever again.

It was a bus trip from Dayton OH to Indianapolis IN, by the way.
EDIT: From Trotwood OH, actually. This "hub" which doesn't allow people to stay inside the building:
https://www.whio.com/news/local/concerns-voiced-over-trotwood-greyhound-bus-station/DK4J2IESBJFV7CC7KLKG3VDB24/

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 04:12 AM

62. "Fly the friendly skies"!

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 07:28 AM

63. What does it mean for our society when we have to have armed guards in churches and schools?

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:15 AM

66. I personally know one of their pilots.

He controls his plane like that. Nothing wrong with that, except he has told me that since Biden gave so much money to “certain people”, his flights are now filled with “these trash”… people on welfare who now suddenly don’t have to work and have extra money to take trips.

From his stories I get the feeling that he isn’t alone in that attitude amongst AA pilots.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #66)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:05 PM

77. I guess your friend hasn't noted yet that these people are often anti-maskers.


And thus MAGA people for the most part.

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Response to shrike3 (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 03:00 PM

81. I did not say he was a friend.

He is the son of a friend who is very anti trump, but is pretty sure son is a trumpee because his wife is bat shit crazy and kind of calls the shots in that family.
He is rabidly anti Hillary so I’m betting his idea of “trash” isn’t white skinned fascists.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 03:01 PM

82. I see. I'm sure white-skinned fascists aren't his idea of trash, sad to say.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:59 AM

69. the good old days

Remember the good old days when all we had to worry about were terrorists? Now it's that blue eyed boy sitting next to you or that Karen sitting in the third row.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:58 AM

72. Booze, 30,000 ft in the air, no escape - maybe loosened up with pills for flying anxiety

Yah, sounds like something I'd like forward too. Throw in an anti-masker asswipe for good measure.


Airlines need a universal no-fly list.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:03 AM

73. Meanwhile Redneck Southwest Airlines is still saying "We're looking into it..."


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Response to Aristus (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:06 PM

78. I sent them a nice note telling them I will never fly their airline again.


Made me feel better, at least.

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:04 AM

74. Just flew back from LA on spirit

Funny but smart ass steward in the preflight speech announced on the intercom: "If you don't want to wear your face covering that is fine I can find you a comfortable seat back inside LAX for the duration of the pandemic"

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:19 AM

75. This is why passenger jets should have ejector seats

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:04 PM

79. Don't make me come back there!

I will stop this plane and whip the tar outta you little shits.

Now...BEHAVE!

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Response to shrike3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 02:37 PM

80. I just flew AA to visit my daughter. That was my only concern about flying.

The flight went well and they had a wheelchair escort waiting at the gate for me at every stop. No one on any of my flights argued about masks and everyone was helpful and polite to me. I honestly believe that even though there are a lot of them, the asses are in the minority.

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