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Pete Buttigieg says no-fly list is on the table for violent anti-maskers on planes
With a sharp increase in violence on planes this year, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said there's "absolutely no excuse for this kind of treatment of flight crews in the air."
By Molly Sprayregen Monday, November 1, 2021
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/11/pete-buttigieg-says-no-fly-list-table-violent-anti-maskers-planes/
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In the midst of a rise in violent incidents on airplanes, out Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said adding violent and unruly passengers to the no-fly list should be on the table.
During an interview on CNNs State of the Union, Buttigieg emphasized that it is completely unacceptable to mistreat, abuse, or even disrespect flight crews.
These flight attendants have been on the front lines of the pandemic from day one, he continued, and theyre up there, as the announcement always says, for your safety. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of treatment of flight crews in the air, or any of the essential workers, from bus drivers to air crews, who get people to where they need to be.
In the interview, State of the Union co-anchor Dana Bash asked Buttigieg about the possibility of a no-fly list in the context of a recent American Airlines flight that was diverted when a flight attendant suffered broken bones, including in her face, after being assaulted by a passenger.
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LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)SheltieLover
(80,437 posts)Long time in the making!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Why is there even a question? Slam it on them immediately.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)I guess individual airlines are creating their own "no fly" lists, so it is being done to a certain extent.
My very favorite, though, is the idea of duct taping an idiot to his seat.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,215 posts)I don't understand why there is even a question about it.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and it's not as simple as "Hey! I'm in-charge here and I've got an idea! Here's a memo... add this rule to the no-fly-list requirements!"
Irish_Dem
(81,215 posts)there are deaths on board, or worse.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... those types of rule-changes or additions don't happen overnight or with great speed. I imagine that it's a complex procedure with checks/balances/reviews and a legal staff to make sure that the wording doesn't run afoul or conflict with other rules/laws/procedures; or that what sounds good now, doesn't turn out to have some loophole or other technicality that can be abused. I'm sure the process is not as simple as we imagine it to be (or would like it to be.) That's all I'm saying.
Ocelot II
(130,506 posts)for reviewing and approving federal agency rules. The Constitution requires that the process for the enactment of any regulation that has the force and effect of law (as agency rules do) provide for notice and the opportunity for potentially affected people and entities to be heard. The proposed rule has to published in the Federal Register, and the public can submit comments. In some cases there will be hearings. But an agency head can't just say, this is what we're going to do and it magically becomes law, no matter how much the rule might be needed.
niyad
(132,382 posts)HUAJIAO
(2,730 posts)I am quite sure it is a federal offense to 'tamper with' the smoke detectors in the 'lavatories."
Why are they called lavatories? They're bathrooms, or rather the toilet..
Rebl2
(17,731 posts)It should be for anti maskers or anyone who becomes violent on a flight
Ocelot II
(130,506 posts)It would have to go through the required rulemaking procedures according to the Administrative Procedure
Act for federal agencies. They (presumably the FAA) would have to publish a notice of proposed rulemaking with the text of the rule, and allow a period of time for public comments before enacting a rule.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and enacting their own policies that allow them to ban passengers within the realm of that which they have control. Namely, their own airline (and feeder airlines). It's imperfect and the banned passenger can certainly fly on another airline, but I imagine that being banned from ONE airline can have a humbling effect on some individuals (especially if they don't want to risk being banned for life on another airline).
The "OMG, do something right fucking now" is certainly an understandable emotion, but along with that are frequent insinuations (here and elsewhere) that our leadership, cabinet, and agency heads are twiddling their thumbs and gazing at their navels... either frightened or incompetent... well, it's just too much. Sigh.
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Hi, Ocelot II!! Have a great week!
Ocelot II
(130,506 posts)and if that happens there won't be an immediate need for a federal one. It's currently a crime to interfere with an air crew, and the FAA can assess a large civil fine for in-flight maskholery, but that doesn't seem to be stopping some people, especially if alcohol is involved. I'd be all in favor of a system-wide no-fly list, which already exists for suspected foreign terrorists, but motivation doesn't matter when somebody is beating on a flight attendant or otherwise interfering with the safety of a flight. If the airlines share their asshole lists while the government enacts a federal rule, so much the better. What airline would even want those passengers anyway?
And a good week to you, too!
calimary
(89,997 posts)What you said, lagomorph777! Times a MILLION! Or at least, times 700-thousand-PLUS. Thats how many Americans have died of the virus.
Period.
Raine
(31,175 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Flying violent anti-maskers should be serve a felony sentence and be put permanently on a national no-fly list. STARTING NOW!
Ocelot II
(130,506 posts)DeeNice
(579 posts)The only table. Do violence on an aircraft for any reason, you're out for good.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Thank you Transportation Sec Pete Buttigieg!
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)no vax,, no fly!
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)No vas, no mask, no get on airplane. Create problem on airplane, get immediate exit no matter what altitude.
Lonestarblue
(13,470 posts)Weve probably all been on flights where someone had a few too many in the airport and then tanked up once on board. Until Trump released the crazies to behave any way they please, they mostly went to sleep. Now they attack flight attendants.
On the flights Ive been on over the past few months, I have definitely noticed a decrease in the amount of alcohol served. With lots of frequent flyer miles saved up, Im often able to upgrade to Business Class where alcohol was freely available in the past. Now flight attendants make themselves scarce at the front of the plane after an initial serving. Not a big issue, but alcohol-fueled rage has caused changes that affect other people.
róisín_dubh
(12,334 posts)I always needed a drink on board. But Im the have a beer and go to sleep type.
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)Dystopian Optimist
(76 posts)Put it on the plate!
calimary
(89,997 posts)kacekwl
(9,142 posts)put in the law book. No reason for delay..
Maru Kitteh
(31,759 posts)on the drawing board - we've located the issue, time to remove it.

TNNurse
(7,539 posts)There would not be in other action necessary,