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CousinIT

(12,541 posts)
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:50 PM Nov 2021

So Democrats failed to vote in VA and the Trump Taliban won.

Hopefully the NJ election will go better.

I also blame Joe Manchin for sabotaging the entire Dem agenda in Washington. That certainly didn't help. He sent Biden abroad empty-handed, stabbed him in the back after that, and has sabotaged the entire Democratic agenda that Americans voted for in the majority in Nov 2020. Manchin NEVER intended to allow BBB to pass. He wants BIF only and nothing else and will OBSTRUCT until that happens. Or LESS (ie: nothing passes).

ONE MAN has SABOTAGED the entire DEMOCRATIC PARTY, sent the leader of that party abroad empty-handed, stabbed him in the back while he was over there, and TRASHED the entire Dem agenda that voters voted for.

THAT certainly DID NOT help McAuliffe in VA. AT. ALL.

TODAY I voted in a municipal election. Tiny local election. I voted in the primary for this election too.

I VOTE.

EVERY. TIME.

This is NOT goddamned rocket science.

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So Democrats failed to vote in VA and the Trump Taliban won. (Original Post) CousinIT Nov 2021 OP
I as well MFM008 Nov 2021 #1
It's not about policy or bills....people vote with their emotions AJT Nov 2021 #4
and we will LOSE MFM008 Nov 2021 #5
You are SO right! Trillions of $ vs CRT and fear mongering. FEAR wins, IMO. SayItLoud Nov 2021 #32
Admittedly, I didn't follow much of McAuliffe's campaign but with I read and tuned in for In It to Win It Nov 2021 #60
once again rw radio wins it for them because dems stupidly ignore it certainot Nov 2021 #67
Umm..Manchin/Sinema weren't the only ones that delayed, & delayed again..that critically timed vote. Budi Nov 2021 #2
I wonder if that's why Jayapal's tone has changed AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #3
Don't want that hot potato anywhere near ya. Huh. Budi Nov 2021 #52
The overwhelming majority of Democrats wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #8
I agree with Nicole Wallace. Budi Nov 2021 #16
People who actually compromised aren't the bad actors wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #24
Why Not tonight? VA is at risk of a loss to the Trumpers RW. Budi Nov 2021 #28
Yes, why can't Manchinema vote for the bills tonight? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #30
Ok. You missed the point. Budi Nov 2021 #35
It's not my life's calling to miss the point wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #46
ok I understand. Night! Budi Nov 2021 #50
And your side is consistently signalling that they want nothing wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #65
So they both agreed then. "Nothing is better than something" Budi Nov 2021 #76
Why? BECAUSE there wasn't a vote called tonight! Did you see this earlier today? George II Nov 2021 #51
Was that an actual commitment to vote? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #64
Because of S&M. 100% quakerboy Nov 2021 #75
AYFKM? You're blaming Jayapal? LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #33
I didn't say it. Wallace dragged it out of her. Budi Nov 2021 #38
I didn't see any citation for the last bit that you used to smear her LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #54
Its only a 'smear' to you. I understand. I really do. Budi Nov 2021 #62
+1. Good thinking Budi! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #58
Nicole Really Was Really Forceful With Her Today Me. Nov 2021 #37
Very well said nt live love laugh Nov 2021 #34
Virginia is for L😠athers TheBlackAdder Nov 2021 #6
wow... really? This seems harsh Takket Nov 2021 #21
I don't think this had to do with Manchin. But it was more about race issues JI7 Nov 2021 #7
Who would have thought. Actually agree with what you say!!! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #56
People Are Upset And Wanting To Ban CRT.... COL Mustard Nov 2021 #61
It's just the implication Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #66
It's like the bathrooms thing and immigration. People who are always worried about "those people" JI7 Nov 2021 #73
If the republican wins, Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #9
NO !!! Dem turnout is on par or better than before .. the middle NO DOUBT switched from Biden to uponit7771 Nov 2021 #10
exit pollls showed a 15 pt swing of white women from Biden to Youngkin LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #36
poll's are garbage ! all these theories are just stupid ! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #48
I hear you. LymphocyteLover Nov 2021 #59
And Yet...Our Guy Lost Tonight... COL Mustard Nov 2021 #63
we lost the battle - but not the war ! never give up ! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #71
omfg uponit7771 Nov 2021 #74
You know the saying. When in Rome... LiberatedUSA Nov 2021 #11
I blame the folks running around bellowing that some Democrats are corrupt, lapucelle Nov 2021 #12
Me too. At least they stopped using the word "establishment" as an insult and betsuni Nov 2021 #27
Thank you. Budi Nov 2021 #31
Totally Agree Me. Nov 2021 #41
Independents switched and never Тяцмр Republicans came home. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2021 #13
i better not say anything or i might get locked or alerted about the terrible 2 AllaN01Bear Nov 2021 #14
McAuliffe didn't help himself with his Parents/Stay Out of Education gaffe OldManTarHeel Nov 2021 #15
True that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #23
All the votes in VA have not been counted - still lots of mail in and early votes to count iluvtennis Nov 2021 #17
I think that MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #18
Then there will malletgirl02 Nov 2021 #20
And when that happens, the GOPFascists win. eom lastlib Nov 2021 #29
Its 9:50 pm est Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #19
What about the machine breakdown in Dem stronghold of Fairfax Budi Nov 2021 #25
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #22
This Isn'T Down To THe OLd Guard Me. Nov 2021 #45
This would be a perfect opportunity... Snackshack Nov 2021 #26
+1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #69
Did I miss this being called? A half hour ago the lead was over 200K, it's now 120K.... George II Nov 2021 #39
Are those military ballots? gldstwmn Nov 2021 #49
Post removed Post removed Nov 2021 #40
Youngkin hasn't won Virginia. Galraedia Nov 2021 #42
Yeah, plus the gap is narrowing and not all the votes have been counted yet. Crowman2009 Nov 2021 #43
This is what they have chosen: gldstwmn Nov 2021 #44
How stupid are "R" voters that CRT, something that DOESN'T exist NoMoreRepugs Nov 2021 #47
We lost the suburban white women. Jon King Nov 2021 #53
No one is owed a vote. People must be persuaded. DickKessler Nov 2021 #55
Sincerest congratulations to all Rich White Guy Party members. czarjak Nov 2021 #57
LOL even in my town here in NY they stay home Historic NY Nov 2021 #68
More people voted for McAuliffe than for Northam in 2017. The overall population spooky3 Nov 2021 #70
ive been complaining about him for months and have been warned or alerted . AllaN01Bear Nov 2021 #72

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
1. I as well
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:55 PM
Nov 2021

his little hissy fit yesterday.
They should have had a good deal all democrats could run on
thats why Biden and the dems were elected and Manchin and Sinema are FVCKING
us royally.
WORSE than any republican.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
4. It's not about policy or bills....people vote with their emotions
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:05 PM
Nov 2021

and fear mongering is much more powerful than positive messaging. CRT won and will be used for the 2022 election cycle.

SayItLoud

(1,774 posts)
32. You are SO right! Trillions of $ vs CRT and fear mongering. FEAR wins, IMO.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:17 PM
Nov 2021

KISS if you know what I mean.

In It to Win It

(12,651 posts)
60. Admittedly, I didn't follow much of McAuliffe's campaign but with I read and tuned in for
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:08 PM
Nov 2021

I read nothing about Dems spending years expanding healthcare for Virginians and Republicans wanting to take that away.

Instead of focusing on vaccine mandates and CRT, tell everyone that goal is to get life back to normal, have all schools open and kids back in classes, and get everyone back to work.

I tuned in for a few events and speeches and I heard none of this.

I feel like that's not that hard. Pivot and paint a picture that's favorable.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
67. once again rw radio wins it for them because dems stupidly ignore it
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:23 PM
Nov 2021

and the analysts do the same - they must all live in cities and would cover their ears if it came on the radio - they're always astounded by this shit and then tell everyone either democrats are too liberal or a few say not liberal enough and manchin gets to point to 'constituencies' that flew out of limbaugh's ass. how many times did media call TFG a 'branding genius' with no clue that limbaugh was repeating that name 50 times an hour on 600 of the loudest radio stations in the country for 3 hours a day.

yeah the racism works. CRT flew out of 1500 radio stations on a regular basis until it became a thing. it wouldn't matter what mccauliff said or didn't say or how progressive he was. the fuckheads screaming in schoolboard meetings are the same ditttoheads who screamed about obamacare at the town hall meetings.

all dems have to do is figure that out. it really is the biggest political mistake in history

Virginia Tech broadcasts sports on 5 xlimbaugh stations - using their black student athletes to help republican radio stations create strawmen like CRT and creating the buzz that media repeats - that biden and progressives are failing so why vote - with no fucking complaint from democrats in and around that university

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
2. Umm..Manchin/Sinema weren't the only ones that delayed, & delayed again..that critically timed vote.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 08:59 PM
Nov 2021

Cuz "Nothing's better than something!"

There's plenty of blame out there.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
3. I wonder if that's why Jayapal's tone has changed
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:03 PM
Nov 2021

This election lit a fire to get something done.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
8. The overwhelming majority of Democrats
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:11 PM
Nov 2021

Compromised every step of the way while the radical minority whined and kept moving the goalposts, and is actively sabotaging Biden's agenda.

This isn't complicated. It would do you good if you don't cape for the bad actors. Not tonight.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. I agree with Nicole Wallace.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:48 PM
Nov 2021

Rofl..."cape for the bad actors"


Who's the bad actors. Lets ask Nicole Wallace




Just 2 weeks ago she said to her supporters, when asked if she'd hold up the bill for more, "Yes, because "Nothing's better than something."

Explain what she meant by that, please.
Because the VA race has now come & gone
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
24. People who actually compromised aren't the bad actors
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:02 PM
Nov 2021

Not sure who told you otherwise

Like I said, not tonight.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
28. Why Not tonight? VA is at risk of a loss to the Trumpers RW.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:10 PM
Nov 2021

Maybe SOMETHING ACTUALLY WAS BETTER THAN NOTHING, afterall.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
46. It's not my life's calling to miss the point
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:42 PM
Nov 2021

The only people who have consistently refused to compromise was Manchinema.

Deal with it.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
50. ok I understand. Night!
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:49 PM
Nov 2021

When exactly is nothing better than something, anyway?

When you're hungry, homeless, sick, can't pay child care, the planet's choking?? When.

Still waiting on that answer to my 1st question.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
65. And your side is consistently signalling that they want nothing
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:13 PM
Nov 2021

This is getting repetitive.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
76. So they both agreed then. "Nothing is better than something"
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 02:20 AM
Nov 2021

Good to know they were in agreement

Thanks for clearing that up.

👍

quakerboy

(14,869 posts)
75. Because of S&M. 100%
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:32 AM
Nov 2021

Republicans are bad actors. They intend to destroy our nation. We know this, and expecting them to do otherwise is foolish.

Which leaves it in the hands of 2 humans who claim to be democrats while doing everything they can to force democrats to lose.

If they are not brought to heal, this is what 2022 and 2024 look like. We win or lose as a party and as a country on this hill.

LymphocyteLover

(9,848 posts)
33. AYFKM? You're blaming Jayapal?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:20 PM
Nov 2021

For wanting to make sure freaking planet saving climate legislation among other hugely important things we need? Jesus, dude.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
62. Its only a 'smear' to you. I understand. I really do.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:09 PM
Nov 2021

Others have a clearer opinion of it.

Later...

Me.

(35,454 posts)
37. Nicole Really Was Really Forceful With Her Today
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:22 PM
Nov 2021

and was essentially putting blame on nothing getting done and the yes/n. yes/no...that, unbelievably gone on for months.

JI7

(93,618 posts)
7. I don't think this had to do with Manchin. But it was more about race issues
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:08 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Even many people that voted for Biden and hate Trump start getting worried about things like critical race theory which they don't really know anything about.

Obama had some white support which he lost and never got back against after he talked about black and brown men being unfairly targeted by cops.

COL Mustard

(8,226 posts)
61. People Are Upset And Wanting To Ban CRT....
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:08 PM
Nov 2021

Which isn't even on the curriculum???????

Really?????

JI7

(93,618 posts)
73. It's like the bathrooms thing and immigration. People who are always worried about "those people"
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:17 AM
Nov 2021

getting into their space whether it's where they live or even what's in books .

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
9. If the republican wins,
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:12 PM
Nov 2021

it's just a much because he distanced himself from Trump in the home stretch as it was the people liking Trump.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
10. NO !!! Dem turnout is on par or better than before .. the middle NO DOUBT switched from Biden to
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:14 PM
Nov 2021

... Youngkin

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
48. poll's are garbage ! all these theories are just stupid !
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:45 PM
Nov 2021

same as alway's , who can lie the best ! republican's hand's down ! 3 yrs left , dem's need to get it together & become one party ! this fractured crap will not work & start using all you tool's available ! you have 2 clown's that are crapping in your oatmeal , fix the problematic two-some & make their life shitty as hell ! media no help , call them out at every turn ! quit taking baby step's !

pissed off veteran!!!

COL Mustard

(8,226 posts)
63. And Yet...Our Guy Lost Tonight...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:09 PM
Nov 2021

Or is primed to. Nobody's called it yet, AFAIK, but it's not looking good for Terry.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
11. You know the saying. When in Rome...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:16 PM
Nov 2021

…run around screaming because the damn place is on fire!

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
12. I blame the folks running around bellowing that some Democrats are corrupt,
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:26 PM
Nov 2021

and the folks who are busy talking about what's not in the bill, rather than about what is in the bill.





betsuni

(29,078 posts)
27. Me too. At least they stopped using the word "establishment" as an insult and
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:10 PM
Nov 2021

instead of the whole Democratic Party being corrupt and beholden they name two actual names. A refreshing change. Still annoying.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
31. Thank you.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:14 PM
Nov 2021

Maybe Something actually was better than nothing, afterall.

And thank you, Nicole Wallace, btw. 👍



Me.

(35,454 posts)
41. Totally Agree
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:25 PM
Nov 2021

are they here to get things done or put out a wish list. Why did everything have to be done in one bill. Why couldn't some of the issues be passed later?

BlueTsunami2018

(4,990 posts)
13. Independents switched and never Тяцмр Republicans came home.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:34 PM
Nov 2021

It’s not really Democratic turnout that was the problem. It’s the absolutely horrible messaging problem and general trend of going opposite in the state. This was always a very iffy race.

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
17. All the votes in VA have not been counted - still lots of mail in and early votes to count
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:50 PM
Nov 2021

in heavy dem districts. Let's allow "the fat lady"to sing before declaring the trump taliban as the winner.

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/02/1049026183/virginia-governor-election-mcauliffe-youngkin




MustLoveBeagles

(16,411 posts)
18. I think that
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:53 PM
Nov 2021

Virginia's school boards and teachers should prepare themselves for the inevitable bulling, harassment, and death threats coming their way.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
20. Then there will
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:56 PM
Nov 2021

be a teachers shortage, because many teachers will quit or retire early due to harassment. There are many less stressful jobs that pay more than teaching.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
25. What about the machine breakdown in Dem stronghold of Fairfax
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:05 PM
Nov 2021

They said the votes will miss the 8:30pm deadline & added after its fixed.


Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Me.

(35,454 posts)
45. This Isn'T Down To THe OLd Guard
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:42 PM
Nov 2021

and we damn well better start realizing where experience matters. This business of the good being the enemy of perfect needs to stop NOW. There will be time to get other bills passed if people would stop messing around.

Snackshack

(2,587 posts)
26. This would be a perfect opportunity...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:10 PM
Nov 2021

For TM & Dems to go full on the vote was stolen / rigged, election fraud, demand audits of every county start filing lawsuits…phuck’em if you can’t beat’em join’em…

Start fighting fire with dynamite…

…or at the very least start listening to Rick Wilson’s advice. He called this several weeks ago. This race should have never even been close no matter what manchin has done. It’s been like watching HRC & DT all over again. Where Dems campaigned for the position not against the opposition because they thought he is way too crazy no one’s gonna vote for him….and now again here we are.

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Did I miss this being called? A half hour ago the lead was over 200K, it's now 120K....
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:23 PM
Nov 2021

The lead was ~10%, now 4.5%, and there are still about one million absentee ballots to be counted.

Response to CousinIT (Original post)

NoMoreRepugs

(12,076 posts)
47. How stupid are "R" voters that CRT, something that DOESN'T exist
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:43 PM
Nov 2021

in Virginia schools, can become so important to them? I am simply beside myself, people are so stupid I sometimes wonder how they function on a day to day basis.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
53. We lost the suburban white women.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:53 PM
Nov 2021

Abortion is not an issue for them.....but thinking their kids may read 'woke' books is. What a messed up country.

Historic NY

(40,037 posts)
68. LOL even in my town here in NY they stay home
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:23 PM
Nov 2021

and were too lazy to vote. Not the Republicans they came out .

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
70. More people voted for McAuliffe than for Northam in 2017. The overall population
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:26 PM
Nov 2021

has increased too, but these data suggest that Dem turnout was not the problem.

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