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Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
1. I know many Independent voters who just vote for the party that's not in the WH to show their
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:09 PM
Nov 2021

independence. Looks like we have many of those in VA.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
3. well there's another long standing pattern coming in 22
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:11 PM
Nov 2021

and we better find a way to break it or it's going to be a long two years until 24.

jmbar2

(4,902 posts)
4. There will be many post mortems of VA
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:11 PM
Nov 2021

But the big question is, how do you message to people who think JFK Jr. is coming back from the dead to crown Trump king? I cannot think of any political system succeeding where half of the people believe stuff that is completely bonkers.

We may have hit the end of democracy.

I'm grateful that I'm in a solid blue area tonite.



Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
8. There is only 100 or so people waiting in TX.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:20 PM
Nov 2021

it's a bad take if you think all of the suburban moms who voted for Biden in 2020 but flipped to Youngkin are all Qanon believers.

AkFemDem

(1,833 posts)
9. Some of those moms are republicans who hated Trump
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:25 PM
Nov 2021

Really this just goes to bolster the whole point- no one stole 2020, the candidate was just so deplorable even some members of his own party voted against him.

Others are young suburban moms in that key 18-30 age group :-/ and they just didn’t show up at all.

Claustrum

(4,845 posts)
11. I just have a problem with people claiming everyone is racist when we talk about Dems needing better
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:28 PM
Nov 2021

messaging. If they are really non-reachable, then Biden wouldn't have gotten those votes and won in 2020.

Do I think CRT is race baiting? yes.
Do I think everyone who found it an issue racist? Most maybe but not all.

Some just took the right's framing of CRT without knowing what it means exactly. And we just call them racist or laugh at them without correcting what CRT really means for public schools in VA. If we get a better messaging on that, at least some of those people would know the right's framing of CRT is BS and not voted the way they did.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
7. These aren't ordinary times. People went for a GOP candidate even
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:16 PM
Nov 2021

after 4 years of TFG. We grossly under estimate the depth of racism in this country. It's not all overt, but white people are afraid of "those people" and white men feel it's their birthright to be successful.

FBaggins

(26,756 posts)
12. That doesn't help much
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 09:40 PM
Nov 2021

If history matters... the "pattern" continues through a painful midterm election next year.

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