Buffalo-Mayor: with 92% reported, Byron Brown leads April Walton 60-40.

[brooklynite]

That's a wrap.

[Budi]

1. With the pre-polling as it was, there was never any question who Buffalo, NY wanted for Mayor

Obviously, their trust was always with Byron Brown.
Congrats to Brown & BNY. 💙

[Cha]

3. So is Brown a repub?

[MustLoveBeagles]

5. I think they're both democrats

Brown is a write in candidate. Brown was the incumbent who lost the primary to Walton.

[Cha]

7. OMG! That's why I

was so Confused!

Thank you, Beagles!

[Drunken Irishman]

6. No. He's the incumbent Democratic mayor...

He lost the primary to India Walton, who is a Democratic Socialist.

Brown won as a write-in, which is impressive.

[Cha]

11. Very Impressive! I was

trying to figure out how to phrase that question.. I didn't think about a "write in" candidate!

Thank You!

[sheshe2]

14. He won as a write ✍️ in?

Against a DS? Awesome 👏

[Budi]

8. No he was always a Democrat. Till he got caught up in a weird election law twist

Rather than contest it when Walton won the Dem primary, Brown just ran as a write-in (i think), & won the Mayors race tonight.
He was already well known & well trusted.

[Cha]

12. TY Budi.. I was

confused about there being 2 Dems running.. I didn't think about a "write in"..

Like DI posted.. "Impressive"!

[Budi]

13. Yup. Buffalo has spoken.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

15. Brown is the incumbent Democratic Mayor of this city

This was a race between two Democrats

[Cha]

18. My bad! TY!

[George II]

16. He's the four term incumbent Democratic Mayor. Now five.

[Cha]

19. I like this Mayor Bryon Brown!

[Mary in S. Carolina]

2. That is great

[leftstreet]

4. Who is April Walton?

[Budi]

9. The candidate he defeated tonite?

Oops. Not the candidate. That's India.

Don't know April..

(Edit)

[leftstreet]

10. Was it India Walton's sister? n/t

[lapucelle]

23. India Walton

She's a democratic socialist who primaried the incumbent Democratic mayor and won. It was a low turnout primary; there was no Republican on the general election ballot.

The absentee votes are counted: India Walton wins Democratic primary in race for Mayor of Buffalo
Evan Anstey
Jun 30, 2021

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) — The absentee votes in the primary election for Mayor of Buffalo have been counted, and India Walton’s name will be the one on the Democratic line.

With a stunning victory that saw her total 11,132 votes by election night, it appeared that India Walton would be the Democratic nominee in an uncontested November election. She had more votes than incumbent four-term mayor Byron Brown, who had 9,625.

https://www.wivb.com/india-walton-buffalo-mayor/the-votes-are-counted-india-walton-wins-democratic-primary-in-race-for-mayor-of-buffalo/

[LetMyPeopleVote]

17. This makes me smile

I got emails from both Nina and AOC urging me to donate to India.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

20. Awww

[Demguy81]

21. Not from Buffalo, but I have difficulty with this one.

If the roles were reversed, and it was India Walton (or any other left-wing Democrat) running a write-in campaign, people on this site, and the entire Democratic Party would be raving about her being a sore loser and attempting to divide the party.

Walton won the Democratic Party primary. If this is the case, I can handle it, but I will never take "Never run as an independent or third-party candidate" seriously again. If it's good for three, it has to be good for me too.

[Hav]

25. When people complain about third party candidates,

then it's about spoilers. This wasn't a race that could have been won by a Repub.
Those are completely different cases.

[Hortensis]

74. Thanks for the explanations. Been missing the drama up there.

So voters got to see what'd happened the first time when only 20K came out, got a second chance, and 50K came out and chose to reelect their mayor. How often does that happen?

Agree this can't be third party. When both ran against each other, both times, as Democrats, can't even be second party.

[Autumn]

22. Awsome. Does this mean that people who compalin about Democrats running against Democrats will

now STFU?

[George II]

26. India Walton was (is) a DSA, she joined the Democratic Party with the goal of primarying....

...the four-term Democratic Mayor of Buffalo.

Byron Brown, on the other hand, has been a Democrat for decades and a very popular, successful mayor. HE didn't initiate the "running against Democrats" thing, janey-come-lately Walton did. He was just doing his job.

Parenthetically, he grew up not far from where I lived growing up - a straight shot down Francis Lewis Boulevard in Queens.

[Autumn]

28. Time is irrelevant where he lived is irrelevant. Your party allowed her to run as a Democrat,

because party leadership is a lot smarter than rank and file and they know they can't win without Progressives. . There are two party's, Republican and Democrat. I am a registered Democrat but I am not a Democrat, I am a Democratic Socialist. The world is changing, the electorate is changing, the needs of the people are changing. The party is changing because it must. One size fits all doesn't work. Get used to it.

[George II]

29. But the point is Byron Brown has been a Democrat (not some variation) and is the incumbent....

....Democratic mayor.

And getting to the point (shot) you were trying to make about Democrats running against Democrats - Democratic Mayor Byron Brown was going to run for re-election. Someone wanted to run against him so suddenly became a "democrat" in order to do so.

The attempted point fell flat.

Thank GOD Buffalo wised up and is returning their Democratic mayor for another term.

Sadly, the world is changing, and our country is leaning further to the right in front of our eyes. The answer to that is not to make our party more left leaning, that will only result in us losing more seats at every level of government.

PS - I threw in that "where he lived" as a curious, coincidental anecdote, thanks for trying to shit on THAT too!

[Autumn]

30. So what? I was a Democrat all my life. Now I don't consider my self a Democrat. I am a

Democratic Socialist. You. Can't. Win. Without. Progressives. You might be leaning right, but the country sure as fuck isn't. Young People, the voters of the future because no one lives forever are not right leaning.

You're welcome George.

[George II]

32. You made a sarcastic comment about "Democrats running against Democrats", I'm just pointing out....

....that Democratic Mayor Byron Brown was just returning the favor for India Walton.

As for "You. Can't. Win. Without. Progressives." yes we can - seems we're doing well winning - Shontel Brown, Eric Adams, Phil Murphy, and many more, even on a day when the media and others are trying to portray the idea that "Democrats had a horrible day".

All things considered, overall it wasn't a bad day at all.

[Autumn]

34. I made the comment about some people, complaining about "Democrats running against Democrats"

that is something that some people do like to complain about. I'm sure you have seen those posts George.

[George II]

35. Whatever. I think I'll go listen to some Joni Mitchell now.

[Autumn]

38. Thanks for the responses, I'll keep them in mind. Always.

[George II]

39. By the way, DEMOCRAT Byron Brown didn't run against a Democrat. He wasn't even on the ballot.

[progressoid]

48. Hahahaha.

What short memories we have. It wasn't that long ago when this site was swarming with finger pointing at progressives (young ones in particular) for not voting D.

In fact, I bet not a month goes by that "the left" isn't blamed for some electoral loss here.

[brooklynite]

33. "You. Can't. Win. Without. Progressives."

Apparently Byron Brown found a way.

[George II]

36. Boom! And. Byron. Brown. Defeated. a. progressive.

[Autumn]

37. So are you saying the Democratic party can win without Progressives voting for them in elections?

I've read over and over that's why some people have lost, because "some progressives" sat out an election.

[Demsrule86]

45. I progressives refuse to vote Democratic, the party will have to move right to pick off more

moderates which would be a shame. Party loyalty counts.

[Autumn]

46. Democrats can have the progressive vote anytime they want it. By simply not moving to the right.

Loyalty to the people who vote for you is what counts.

[progressoid]

49. This right here...

[Celerity]

62. If the Democratic party tries to move further right, it will soon become a permanent minority

party.

#facts

#bigfacts

[progressoid]

47. The point is that Brown IS some variation of a Democrat.

We, all of us, are some variation of a Democrat.

Holy shit are you really going to pull the "No True Scotsman" argument?

[George II]

55. Byron Brown IS a Democrat, has been for decades. I have absolutely no idea what your last....

....sentence means or refers to.

[progressoid]

57. No true Scotsman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their universal generalization from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly. Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and counterexamples like it by appeal to rhetoric. This rhetoric takes the form of emotionally charged but nonsubstantive purity platitudes such as "true, pure, genuine, authentic, real", etc.

Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt.

[George II]

60. I still don't understand the connection between that and what I said about Byron Brown....

But I think you're saying "purity" is wrong?

[progressoid]

67. You stated that "Byron Brown has been a Democrat (not some variation)"

implying that "some variation" is not a true Democrat.

Similarly, the no true Scotsman fallacy is also often used in an attempt to define Christianity. For instance, some liberal Christians will often disqualify militant pro-life Xians or snake handling Xians as not true Christians in an attempt to purify their view of Christianity. When in fact, other than some extreme tenets, their basic belief systems may be aligned.

[George II]

68. I called Byron Brown a Democrat. Period. Not a variation of a Democrat. When I registered to vote...

....there were three boxes on the form:

Democratic Party
republican Party
Unaffiliated

Not:

Democratic Party variation A
Democratic Party variation B
Democratic Party variation C
Democratic Party variation D

[progressoid]

70. Right and then implied that the other candidate was not a Democrat. Period.

Even though her variation of Democrat won the Democratic primary and thus was the Democratic nominee on the ballot.

[George II]

71. She joined the Democratic Party solely to run in the primary and if successful, the general election

Characterize what I said as you will.

It would be interesting to see what she does in the next weeks and months.

[Demsrule86]

61. Your Party? Are you not a Democrat then Autumn?

[Autumn]

73. I am a registered Democrat. I consider myself a Democratic Socialist. nt

[George II]

40. FYI, Justice Democrats (who backed India Walton) - January 31 '17, reiterated over and over again:

[Autumn]

42. There have been Independents running for office as long as I remember.

I do think that someday there will be a viable third party.

[Demsrule86]

44. First of all, third parties only take us down...look at 2016 and 2000. Also, we do not have a

parliamentary system. I look around and see mostly conservates winning in places with multiple parties...and it leads to permanent minority rule.

[Demsrule86]

43. She was like Turner (People's Party) running as a Democrat for this particular election.

I believe she was a member of the Socialist Party-third party before switching for the election. I wouldn't have voted for her. And since the Mayor won hands down in a write-in, he deserves it. Some obscure election law hurt him in the primary. This is a safe Democratic seat. I am glad he won...I have no love for those third-party types who only join our party to run Democratic elections.

[progressoid]

50. Would you prefer they start their own party and siphon off votes?

Seriously, how many times have DUers complained about spoilers like Stein and Nader. It's a regular sport here.

Either include them in our big tent or let them spoil. Pick a lane.

[Demsrule86]

63. Actually Nina has a new party she began before she ran as a Democrat...she came right out and

said she couldn't get enough votes to be on the ticket without running as a Democrat...so yeah run in a third party and let's pray to God people have enough knowledge to never vote third party which is a vote for Republicans...there was trouble in the primary...the people wanted him not her clearly. She should have bowed out.

[progressoid]

64. You just endorsed the campaigns of Stein and Nadar.

"so yeah run in a third party and let's pray to God people have enough knowledge to never vote third party which is a vote for Republicans"

OK.

[Hav]

24. Likely enough of a cushion to account for votes that cannot be attributed to Brown

Misspellings will be probably allowed.

I liked this comment from Predictit:

"I have come from the future and I have foreseen the results.
In first place, with 38.7% of the vote, is Byron Brown.
In a close second is Bryon Brown, with 35.3% if the vote.
In third place is India Walton with 21.5% of the vote.
In fourth place is Bryan Brown with 4.1%."

[George II]

27. Are those real numbers? I see that Brown won 59% to 41%.

[wellst0nev0ter]

31. Bookmarking this thread

For anyone who complains about primary or independent challenges from the left.

Support all Democrats! 💪

[George II]

41. Make sure you bookmark this, too!

[progressoid]

51. 2017?

OK.

[George II]

56. Yes, 2017. They haven't changed their objective or strategy since.

[Cha]

54. I've Bookmarked This..

Link to tweet

Now they're mad.

[progressoid]

52. Indeed. N/T

[Cha]

53. Yeah you be sure and "Bookmark" it..

I've Bookmarked THIS..

Link to tweet

[wellst0nev0ter]

58. If I supported a goop-backed campaign

I wouldn't be so fast to take a victory lap, but that's just me, a lowly registered Democrat

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-buffalo-mayor-race-byron-brown-india-walton_n_6172edfbe4b03072d6f67573

[Cha]

65. LOL.. Mayor Brown WON

with Write In Votes!

The Voters in Buffalo, New York have Spoken!

And, So did the People of District 11 in Ohio!

Link to tweet

[wellst0nev0ter]

66. This must feel just like

when the Connecticut for Lieberman party won a race

[Cha]

69. WRITE DOWN BYRON BROWN!

Link to tweet

[wellst0nev0ter]

72. I'm, the election is over?

[Carlitos Brigante]

59. You could at least bother to get the names right..... nt