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spooky3

(34,465 posts)
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:25 PM Nov 2021

Can we please wait a bit before attempting to explain tonight's results?

First, we don't know what the final outcomes will be. So before we jump to conclusions about causes, we have to know what the results were.

Second, we need DATA to help us sort out what may be going on. For example, if this year's turnout figures were substantially below what they were in 2017 (in Virginia's last gubernatorial election), both % and #s, for all demographic groups, then that suggests that getting the vote out could be a big part of the problem. But if Dem turnout was good, that suggests the problem may lie somewhere else.

As another example, if Dem candidates lost independents who supported them in 2020, but kept their base, that suggests a different problem and solution.

As another example, if the 2021 patterns in Virginia are similar to those in New Jersey, which is substantially more blue (Biden won by 15 percentage points there versus 10 points in VA), that suggests that there could be a problem with how Democrats in general are being perceived right now. Is it messaging? Is it misunderstanding of the difficulties of getting things passed in DC?

Is it a money problem? Youngkin threw TONS of money--his and donors--into the race in VA. But McAuliffe also spent a lot. This still could suggest a problem about magnitude or about how the money was spent.

These are just examples - lots of other factors may be involved. But again, before we jump on any of them, we need data.







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Can we please wait a bit before attempting to explain tonight's results? (Original Post) spooky3 Nov 2021 OP
there is one pretty good one MFM008 Nov 2021 #1
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #4
when your guy says something that completely validates the opponent's values and views msongs Nov 2021 #2
CRT thinkingagain Nov 2021 #3
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Nov 2021 #5
Some data: spooky3 Nov 2021 #6

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
1. there is one pretty good one
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:29 PM
Nov 2021

we didn't have anything to show for our work...
Biden's agenda we voted for has been stopped.
Critical race theory whatever the FK that is.
racist parents can pick out our reading material.

msongs

(67,433 posts)
2. when your guy says something that completely validates the opponent's values and views
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:31 PM
Nov 2021

your guy is in trouble

spooky3

(34,465 posts)
6. Some data:
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:02 PM
Nov 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Virginia_gubernatorial_election

Northam (D) got 1.4 million votes
Gillespie (R) got 1.1 million votes
Others got a few; total votes = 2.6 million

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/02/us/elections/results-virginia.html

McAuliffe (D) so far has nearly 1.5 million votes
Youngkin (R) so far has 1.55 million votes
Others got a few; total votes = 3.06 million

This suggests that turnout wasn't the key factor.

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