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mcar

(46,058 posts)
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:35 PM Nov 2021

More perspective on the white woman swing from D to R in VA


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Virginia 2020 —> White women
50% Biden (D), 49% Trump (R)

Virginia 2021 —> White women
57% Youngkin (R), 43% McAuliffe (D)

A 15-point swing to the GOP with this group.
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More perspective on the white woman swing from D to R in VA (Original Post) mcar Nov 2021 OP
well this is disgusting MFM008 Nov 2021 #1
At least that awful CRT will be taken out of their kids' schools mcar Nov 2021 #4
Virginia rso Nov 2021 #5
As long as they can be racist about it. It's a strong motivator. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #8
Looks like they turned on Trump n/t leftstreet Nov 2021 #2
How do you figure? Youngkin is Trump in a fleece vest. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2021 #9
I meant they went with Biden over Trump POTUS leftstreet Nov 2021 #11
Right. They helped deliver Virginia to Biden. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #14
In before "not all white women!!!!" WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #3
No, just a certain percentage of them that handed the election to Trump in a fleece vest. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #10
Youngkin malletgirl02 Nov 2021 #33
🤔... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #35
You are right it was mostly working class white woman. NT cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #36
parents shouldnt decide whats taught in schools. mothers don't like hearing that nt msongs Nov 2021 #6
Yup that is it in a nutshell. Nt cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #17
Ohhh. I wasn't paying that close attention so I didn't hear about that remark... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #24
Yes, "local control" is a BFD Deminpenn Nov 2021 #27
bull NoRethugFriends Nov 2021 #32
No, it is not Deminpenn Nov 2021 #39
Considering how many worse than shitty parents are out there SouthBayDem Nov 2021 #28
The phony school issue? elleng Nov 2021 #7
While it's a phony issue, it's also wrong to laugh at it without addressing it. Claustrum Nov 2021 #12
CERTAINLY wrong to laugh at it, elleng Nov 2021 #15
How should Mac have phrased it differently? SouthBayDem Nov 2021 #30
As always, Democrats are not only dealing with Republican lies mcar Nov 2021 #18
'Dealing with,' or NOT dealing with? elleng Nov 2021 #19
How do they deal with a media that is strongly slanted against them? mcar Nov 2021 #20
Change the subject leftstreet Nov 2021 #21
It wasn't a "misspeak". Instead of walking it back, he doubled down in subsequent days Klaralven Nov 2021 #29
They like their racism wrapped in an acceptable package Blaukraut Nov 2021 #13
Teaching about slavery or any violence in school, Mary in S. Carolina Nov 2021 #16
So when they get to me, I can shatter their world róisín_dubh Nov 2021 #41
Children and teenagers have Mary in S. Carolina Nov 2021 #43
America has a history of brutalizing Mary in S. Carolina Nov 2021 #44
I teach Latin American history... róisín_dubh Nov 2021 #45
"I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach." Sympthsical Nov 2021 #22
Exactly Mary in S. Carolina Nov 2021 #23
That was a pretty stupid thing to say. LisaL Nov 2021 #31
Terry was a terrible candidate. budkin Nov 2021 #25
This should be more widely understood. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #26
I bet a lot of women felt that way Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2021 #37
When I heard Chille Nov 2021 #42
Wow!! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #34
I don't know why people still underestimate bigotry ismnotwasm Nov 2021 #38
People assume just because someone voted for a democrat they can't have certain bigoted views JI7 Nov 2021 #40
This JoanofArgh Nov 2021 #46

MFM008

(20,042 posts)
1. well this is disgusting
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:37 PM
Nov 2021

i hope they enjoy the republicans taking away all their rights.

rso

(2,673 posts)
5. Virginia
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:38 PM
Nov 2021

We have the Va. State Senate majority at least until 2023, Trumpkin won’t be able to pass anything.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
14. Right. They helped deliver Virginia to Biden.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:44 PM
Nov 2021

This shift to Youngkin is really disturbing.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
10. No, just a certain percentage of them that handed the election to Trump in a fleece vest.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:42 PM
Nov 2021

CRT and the lack of a Dem response to the bullshit and lies killed us.

malletgirl02

(1,523 posts)
33. Youngkin
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:38 PM
Nov 2021

"Trump in a fleece vest" that is the best description of Youngkin have ever seen. McAuliffe wasn't the best candidate, but be is sure better than as you say "Yep.in a fleece". I will never forget that white women handed Virginia to "Trump in a fleece".

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
35. 🤔...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:49 PM
Nov 2021

I'm still a relatively quite a recent DU'r so I don't know what the DUhistory/interactions are with you and fellow DU'rs to say that.

Is it like a given - 'We know some of you (ww) have mostly/or always been with us so you should know we're not talking about you' kind of thing?

If that's so, then, ok I see that. All is well! 👍 👍


Bc being recent here - at first as an older white woman NYC'r who's 1st gen Greek-American mom quite sublimely learned about (not only Southern, but Northern racism as well) resisted, and taught me about racism starting around age 9-10; and from there I learned more by listening to, and reading Afro-American povs, and experiences I do my best to be a real ally. And she would point out things for decades to come. I'm aways learning - that statement doesn't give a friendly atmosphere.

I've never voted Republican, or Conservative since I was in the first year ('71) of 18 yr voters. Have mostly tried to vote the most liberal/progressive people in all these years.
So I'm in that ? 40% +/- of ww and happy to be there. 👍

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
24. Ohhh. I wasn't paying that close attention so I didn't hear about that remark...
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:13 PM
Nov 2021

Hoooo, boy. 🤨

Seeing that swing along with this info makes sense. Ugh.
😑

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
27. Yes, "local control" is a BFD
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:19 PM
Nov 2021

in all school districts. Worse, it's not an abstract issue, it's a personal issue. I'd bet many of those voters are raising their kids to be aware and sensitive to others, but they don't want to be told what to do.

Deminpenn

(17,506 posts)
39. No, it is not
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 06:25 AM
Nov 2021

Americans have a deep cultural libertarian streak. That played out in VA with schools and school policies.

SouthBayDem

(33,283 posts)
28. Considering how many worse than shitty parents are out there
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:22 PM
Nov 2021

I'd say that there has to be some check against mass ignorance.

It's about time candidates stop it with the polished, focus group, "what people want to hear" crap.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
7. The phony school issue?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:39 PM
Nov 2021

If so, might we learn how to DEAL with such?



OR McAuliffe's BAD 'misspeak' about schools/curriculum/parents?

Claustrum

(5,058 posts)
12. While it's a phony issue, it's also wrong to laugh at it without addressing it.
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:42 PM
Nov 2021

Or worst, tell parents that they have no rights to decide what's being taught in school (Terry actually said this).

elleng

(141,926 posts)
15. CERTAINLY wrong to laugh at it,
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:45 PM
Nov 2021

we can't ever do that, but address such directly and hard.

and right, worst to tell parents that they have no rights to decide what's being taught in school.

SouthBayDem

(33,283 posts)
30. How should Mac have phrased it differently?
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:28 PM
Nov 2021

I do think those comments came off as unpolished and disrespectful. On the other hand it is true that America has a lot of ignorant parents who proudly share their vapidity on Facebook. Thing is: school is to teach kids how to engage with and live in the world around them. Yes sometimes parents need to hold their kids schools accountable...but we need to accept that democracy is too easily weaponized by people work ulterior agendas

Besides, creationism and "abstinence only" are the predictable results of "letting parents tell schools what to teach".

mcar

(46,058 posts)
18. As always, Democrats are not only dealing with Republican lies
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:46 PM
Nov 2021

They are dealing with MSM promoting Republican lies.

Look at the takes - Youngkin was brilliant at making "education' an issue - not that he's lying about CRT.

I've rarely seen them even note that CRT is not taught in any public schools. It's all a game, a horse race.

As always, Democrats cannot make one mistake. McAuliffe's "misspeak" as example.

CNN and MSNBC wanted this R win desperately.

leftstreet

(40,682 posts)
21. Change the subject
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:55 PM
Nov 2021

That's about the only way to do it

Drown out the deceptive culture war shit the GOPers always win on and campaign on issues large majorities of people support

MEDICARE FOR ALL vs BUT TEh CRITICAL RACE THEORIES !11

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
29. It wasn't a "misspeak". Instead of walking it back, he doubled down in subsequent days
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 11:27 PM
Nov 2021

Blaukraut

(5,998 posts)
13. They like their racism wrapped in an acceptable package
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:44 PM
Nov 2021

White women were never going to save the country. They also won't be swayed by trying to save Roe v. Wade. (maybe college educated single white women, but not the rest of them) In their minds, needing an abortion is something that happens to other people.

 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
16. Teaching about slavery or any violence in school,
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:45 PM
Nov 2021

to children and teenagers, is a losing issue which was proved today in Virginia. I am telling the truth and I had one of my posts removed. In addition, I think the Bible should be banned due to it's violent nature and my kids would not be allowed in a church that teaches from the Bible.

Slowly, but surely, I will take off their "Rose Colored Glasses" when they are age appropriate.

róisín_dubh

(12,336 posts)
41. So when they get to me, I can shatter their world
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 06:47 AM
Nov 2021

Excellent. I'm a university professor of history. Students have no idea about the realities of history. Or racism (unless they're students of color).
By the time they're done with my classes, they're either pissed that they've been lied to by their teachers/parents or they're so brainwashed by a false sense of history that they're lost.

Your perspective is really bizarre.

 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
43. Children and teenagers have
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:33 PM
Nov 2021

enough to worry about in their lives today and should not be expected to process our violent history.

Our violent history was brought on by adults and is an adult issue. I would rather my adult child have their world shatter (your words) than my 10 year old. Your students should be "pissed", that is a normal reaction, I would rather have a pissed adult than a pissed and confused child or teenager.

 

Mary in S. Carolina

(1,364 posts)
44. America has a history of brutalizing
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:43 PM
Nov 2021

and raping black people for centuries now, America also has a history of brutalizing and raping women. Should we teach that in school, are there any history classes on that at your University? Our violent history needs to be taught and learned from, but only as adults, not as children.

róisín_dubh

(12,336 posts)
45. I teach Latin American history...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:02 PM
Nov 2021

so what do YOU think.

Your views are, thankfully on this website, in the minority.

Sympthsical

(10,969 posts)
22. "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach."
Tue Nov 2, 2021, 10:58 PM
Nov 2021

And poof went that demographic.

And when the alarm bells started shrieking over it, he doubled down.

Sucha NastyWoman

(3,019 posts)
37. I bet a lot of women felt that way
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:12 AM
Nov 2021

I’m a dedicated Democrat, so I’d have voted for him anyway, but if you’re not wedded to the party, you might make a different choice.

Is he reallly the best our party could come up with?

 

Chille

(193 posts)
42. When I heard
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 06:50 AM
Nov 2021

him say, and I paraphrase, parents shouldn’t decide what their children learn in school. It was a facepalm 🤦‍♀️ moment. He seemed to crash after that. I still believed he was going to win until this morning. We need to regroup and take a page from the repubgoons. They are still disgusting imbeciles. Yes I’m mad 😠

JI7

(93,617 posts)
40. People assume just because someone voted for a democrat they can't have certain bigoted views
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 06:46 AM
Nov 2021

It's like how some people would be ok with a person from a certain group working at the grocery store and waiting tables but if someone from that same group were to become their boss, or move in next door to them then suddenly they start feeling uncomfortable. But they will use the first couple examples I gave to tell themselves or others they can't be racist and it's something else about them that they have a problem with.

That's how someone can vote for Biden over Trump because Trump is so openly trashy but suddenly when it comes to teaching certain truths about our history they become uncomfortable and vote for the bigot .

Just look at how some of the women that went after innocent black people were involved in things considered left leaning activities.

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