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It was NON-COLLEGE educated white women in Virginia that switched (Original Post) bluewater Nov 2021 OP
A lot more people voted in that election rockfordfile Nov 2021 #1
I'm not very surprised, actually. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2021 #2
But the percentages were close in 2020. What happened... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #6
They were fed a strict diet of fear. bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #12
Schools/bathrooms were pre-2021, same with the "southern culture," statues, etc. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #15
so why would anyone cut programs from the Build Back Better bill that would help these women? bluewater Nov 2021 #18
Good question. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #26
Maybe, but I live in VA and that's not what they were running on. bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author bluewater Nov 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #33
Ah, OK. I drove through rural counties (Fauquier, parts of Loudoun)... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #29
The Loudoun sheriff's ad bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #37
And stuff like this bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #40
So college-educated white women saw through the Youngkin fear-mongering and BS... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #43
This is not meaning to be a smart ass answer but yes bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #44
I shoulda said above, Republicans always play to fear. SMC22307 Nov 2021 #47
what about college educated men? pstokely Nov 2021 #63
Ugh. Criminals, guns, weak on crime, fear... an oldie but goodie. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2021 #41
Got it. I missed one of your previous posts explaining what the ads were about. bluewater Nov 2021 #36
I think you are probably quite accurate. Bottom line: Stupidity. triron Nov 2021 #60
They're feeding it to them in the churches. gldstwmn Nov 2021 #27
From the Washington post on the fear campaign bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #51
They voted significantly more for Biden last year . Big Blue Marble Nov 2021 #9
That's part of why.. mvd Nov 2021 #19
Thank you, Karens. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #3
Nameist. CentralMass Nov 2021 #5
lol bluewater Nov 2021 #8
I know, and I've been one of the big scolds about using that name. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #54
lol uponit7771 Nov 2021 #56
Wow. So what were they whipped into a frenzy over? SMC22307 Nov 2021 #4
Scare the hell out of them underpants Nov 2021 #10
All of the above then? That's a huge swing, percentage-wise. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2021 #13
CRT/race baiting Celerity Nov 2021 #39
Probably Covid Klaralven Nov 2021 #7
Great point. underpants Nov 2021 #11
That's a good point. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2021 #14
You've convinced me. Great insight. bluewater Nov 2021 #22
Non College White Women have always been Right Wing Leaning JI7 Nov 2021 #30
But if they voted for Biden in 2020, why not McAuliffe in 2021? SMC22307 Nov 2021 #32
They didn't vote for Biden in 2020 JI7 Nov 2021 #35
According to the exit poll in the OP, there was an almost 20% drop... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #38
Many white women became disgusted with Trump but doesn't mean they are liberal JI7 Nov 2021 #45
No one thinks they are liberal. Youngkin has been described as "Trump in a fleece vest"... SMC22307 Nov 2021 #48
But he doesn't come off like Trump . Also Biden and McAuliffe are different JI7 Nov 2021 #49
In a nutshell , "your children are in danger" bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #42
This, and the aid they got at the end of the Trump admin trickled to a stop under Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #52
so stupid white women MFM008 Nov 2021 #16
LOL! DoBotherMe Nov 2021 #34
Qarens. And women tho thought their kids would be taught to be ashamed. haele Nov 2021 #62
They didn't switch USAFRetired_Liberal Nov 2021 #17
That is the question TheRealNorth Nov 2021 #24
the Big change was independents JI7 Nov 2021 #31
How would anynone know these facts ? pidge Nov 2021 #21
Welcome to "The Karening"!!! nt Carlitos Brigante Nov 2021 #23
The white trash vote. roamer65 Nov 2021 #28
+1. Republicans are experts at mixing fear and racism into a potent motivator dalton99a Nov 2021 #46
Did the black vote turn out? BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #50
The LT Governor Chille Nov 2021 #53
The LT gov is Repub Sunsky Nov 2021 #55
+1, I'm waiting to see this also. The voter denial issue being back seated is a big issue to my uponit7771 Nov 2021 #57
We should not mention the black vote unless we win. Nt cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #64
He needed to do better with Non-College Educated and White Men/Women msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #58
We at least need to find out why the huge switch in months uponit7771 Nov 2021 #59
That would be nice. Socal31 Nov 2021 #61

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,584 posts)
2. I'm not very surprised, actually.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:00 AM
Nov 2021

People without much education tend to vote R.

That's just the way it goes.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
12. They were fed a strict diet of fear.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:14 AM
Nov 2021

Your children are not safe in schools, boys dressed like girls will attack them in the girls room, fights breaking out, masks will kill them, vaccines will take their virginity…. The crazy went deep and people ate it up. The message of be afraid of black and brown people and taking their southern culture was a bridge too far

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
15. Schools/bathrooms were pre-2021, same with the "southern culture," statues, etc.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:18 AM
Nov 2021

That stuff was going on when Biden was elected.

I think the poster in #7 summed it up:

College educated white women worked remotely.

Non-college educated white women became unemployed or risked Covid on essential jobs.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
20. Maybe, but I live in VA and that's not what they were running on.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:24 AM
Nov 2021

The TV Spots we’re about as blunt as a hammer. The message was beaten in, your children are not safe at school because of democrats.

Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #20)

Response to bluewater (Reply #25)

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
29. Ah, OK. I drove through rural counties (Fauquier, parts of Loudoun)...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:36 AM
Nov 2021

a few weeks ago and was stunned at the big, red Youngkin signs all over. It seemed very MAGA-ish to me... lots of people pissed that Trump lost and they sure as hell were going to vote.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
40. And stuff like this
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:49 AM
Nov 2021

ASHLAND, Va. (AP) — Glenn Youngkin wants voters in Virginia to hear an urgent message: Your children are in danger.

In a speech in Northern Virginia’s suburbs last week, the Republican candidate for governor highlighted the murky case of a student who allegedly committed sex crimes in two area schools. He said the incidents, which have sparked community outrage, are the result of failed Democratic leadership.

“What other tragedy awaits Virginia’s children?” an atypically grim-faced Youngkin asked from the podium, flanked by a collection of parents and schoolchildren.


Full article below


https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-elections-crime-virginia-election-2020-b3265985b40d25db51491a39b07a2737

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
43. So college-educated white women saw through the Youngkin fear-mongering and BS...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:55 AM
Nov 2021

but non-college-educated white women did not?

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
44. This is not meaning to be a smart ass answer but yes
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:57 AM
Nov 2021

More highly educated voters tend to question the message and the messenger more than those less educated.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
47. I shoulda said above, Republicans always play to fear.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:03 AM
Nov 2021

I just find it surprising that there was a nearly 20% drop in the non-college-educated white woman vote between 2020 (Biden) and 2021 (McAuliffe). That's a huge drop in one year.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
51. From the Washington post on the fear campaign
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 05:23 AM
Nov 2021

Youngkin’s victory confirms a depressing reality: Trumpism succeeds as a tactic even in the absence of Trump. Though Youngkin nominally distanced himself from Trump (he didn’t mention Trump often or attend events where Trump spoke on his behalf), he ran a classic MAGA campaign, raising racial fear and animus among White voters by scaring them about crime and the phantom menace of critical race theory. He littered the airwaves with falsehoods and falsely implicated McAuliffe in a dark conspiracy theory involving the FBI. Youngkin emphasized the Trumpian trope of “election integrity” and called for an “audit” of Virginia’s voting machines, while Trump and other Youngkin surrogates told Virginians to expect fraud.

Big Blue Marble

(5,066 posts)
9. They voted significantly more for Biden last year .
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:08 AM
Nov 2021

It looks like they were carefully targeted with state and local issues, primarily about
educating their children from what I have read.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
19. That's part of why..
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:23 AM
Nov 2021

Repukes are always neglecting public education. Less educated can mean more susceptible to scare tactics like what the Repukes are doing with CRT.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
4. Wow. So what were they whipped into a frenzy over?
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:05 AM
Nov 2021

COVID restrictions? CRT? Afghanistan withdrawal? Soshulism?

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
7. Probably Covid
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:08 AM
Nov 2021

College educated white women worked remotely.

Non-college educated white women became unemployed or risked Covid on essential jobs.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
32. But if they voted for Biden in 2020, why not McAuliffe in 2021?
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:42 AM
Nov 2021

What was it that triggered the switch in such a short period of time?

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
38. According to the exit poll in the OP, there was an almost 20% drop...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:46 AM
Nov 2021

between 2020 (Biden) and 2021 (McAuliffe). Why?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
45. Many white women became disgusted with Trump but doesn't mean they are liberal
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:57 AM
Nov 2021

they still get easily fooled by the fear mongering .

I remember years ago reading about how white women were most likely to oppose immigration during some controversial issue in california .

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
48. No one thinks they are liberal. Youngkin has been described as "Trump in a fleece vest"...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:05 AM
Nov 2021

what made them switch back?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
49. But he doesn't come off like Trump . Also Biden and McAuliffe are different
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:17 AM
Nov 2021

People are more comfortable with Biden and I think Kaine and WArner would have won also.

Attacks on Biden don't work as well as they would on other Democrats . It's why Obama picked him for VP .

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
42. In a nutshell , "your children are in danger"
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:54 AM
Nov 2021

ASHLAND, Va. (AP) — Glenn Youngkin wants voters in Virginia to hear an urgent message: Your children are in danger.

haele

(12,647 posts)
62. Qarens. And women tho thought their kids would be taught to be ashamed.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:13 PM
Nov 2021

McAuliffe made a huge mistake on his comment that basically indicated he had no problems taking power away from parents who were worried about the education their kids were getting and don't understand nuance well.
Which basically means he put off white women who accept/prefer traditional roles and don't pursue higher education because they don't believe they personally need to be more than a mother and wife.

TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
24. That is the question
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:28 AM
Nov 2021

Did the Democratic-leaning voters just not turn out, or was there a change in how individuals voted.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
31. the Big change was independents
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:39 AM
Nov 2021

and I mean real independents that can go either way. Not just people who claim to be independent but always vote one way .

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
55. The LT gov is Repub
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:32 AM
Nov 2021

Because she's black does not mean AAs turned out to vote for her.
I would like to see the AA turnout numbers because I've been hearing a lot of anger in my circle toward the Biden administration. They say Kamala has been silent and Biden has not put his weight behind key measures important to our community. I have heard the word disrespected used numerous times.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
57. +1, I'm waiting to see this also. The voter denial issue being back seated is a big issue to my
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:36 AM
Nov 2021

... family and friends who are black

msfiddlestix

(7,278 posts)
58. He needed to do better with Non-College Educated and White Men/Women
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:51 AM
Nov 2021

That's the demographic we have to improve our appeal with.

Socal31

(2,484 posts)
61. That would be nice.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:22 AM
Nov 2021

I've been around DU long enough to remember when only the mouth-breathing trolls were afraid to be tomb-stoned.

But now it feels like one cannot do an honest post-mortem or meta discussion on strategy, without being seen as promoting/endorsing (R) talking points.

It is OK to say that CRT or its framework is being incorporated into K-12 curriculum. Not to advocate for its eradication, or fall for the racist tropes of the Trumptards. But to discuss and unify the proper messaging as to why it is NORMAL to teach about race. Pretending it doesn't exist does not work.

It is OK to say that vaccine mandates are going to be a wedge issue in Purple states. Not to advocate for ending public health measures designed to save lives, but to discuss and unify the proper messaging as to WHY the vaccines are necessary. Calling everyone against mandates "anti-vaxx", or pretending there is no controversy, does not work.

It is OK to acknowledge that inflation is real and is caused in part by inflating the money supply (deficit spending). Not to argue against BBB, but to discuss and unify our messaging as to why the BBB plan actually IMPROVES the economy, even more so if Manchin doesn't torpedo the new taxes on the uber-Rich. Pretending that food and energy prices are not alarmingly higher in some regions, will not work.

We have the advantage of holding the correct views, as will be judged by history. So why don't we address them head-on, and bury these wingnuts for every election in the foreseeable future?

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