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applegrove

(132,619 posts)
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 10:58 AM Nov 2021

Why Manchin Pushed Back

Why Manchin Pushed Back

November 3, 2021 at 9:13 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 121 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/11/03/why-manchin-pushed-back/

"SNIP.....

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) was “bombarded with text messages” from House progressives over the weekend and that led to the moderate senator pushing back in a public statement on Monday, Politico reports.

Said one Democratic senator: “He was mad because members kept asking him for more shit.”

Politico: “If you’ve been paying attention this year, progressives yelling at Manchin has only further entrenched him in most cases.”

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Why Manchin Pushed Back (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2021 OP
You need a link...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #1
The Link Is There At THe Top Me. Nov 2021 #2
I am on my phone and post in stages. Link went up a minute later. applegrove Nov 2021 #6
I'm posting on my phone. I do it in stages. Link goes up a minute later. Thanks though. applegrove Nov 2021 #4
My bad. It's all good... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #9
No you were helpfull from what you could tell. Don't knock yourself. N/T applegrove Nov 2021 #10
Sounds about right from where I'm sitting. Locally, we lost big time. That's BIG TIME, and that's... TreasonousBastard Nov 2021 #3
That's pretty effing petty qazplm135 Nov 2021 #5
Not wanting to defend Manchin whom I'm not a fan of awesomerwb1 Nov 2021 #13
no it isn't qazplm135 Nov 2021 #20
snowflake bigtree Nov 2021 #7
So the guy who said "no" FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #8
Wow such lame excuse. I'll take this as a signal he's going to support both bills berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #11
Put the BBB in front of him wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #12
Put it in front of all of them. Get off the TV and do your f'ing job. Budi Nov 2021 #17
We still have NOTHING! -- Thanks to Manchinema wellst0nev0ter Nov 2021 #19
Name them All. Equal contibutions to this "Nothing's better than something" bullshit. Budi Nov 2021 #21
More Politboro...I mean Politico Bullshit nt maxrandb Nov 2021 #14
But to do it right before an election? I think you call that pulling a Comey. padah513 Nov 2021 #15
K & R Thank You. As well as the freaky vigilanti attack on Sinema in a restroom. Budi Nov 2021 #16
that's a weird quote from an unnamed senator ... and it doesn't appear in Politico's reporting fishwax Nov 2021 #18
There are two separate Politico links in the thread. They go to different applegrove Nov 2021 #22

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. Sounds about right from where I'm sitting. Locally, we lost big time. That's BIG TIME, and that's...
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:02 AM
Nov 2021

largely because we are seen as the whiney class. We may not be, but that is how we are seen.

Like it or not, Republicans are seen as they who get things done. That's not true, but it's not entirely their fault that the voters see it that way.

qazplm135

(7,654 posts)
5. That's pretty effing petty
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:04 AM
Nov 2021

And emotional.

You get some texts so instead of engaging or, I don't know, ignoring, you have a press conference the day before a major election you use as a public venting session?

awesomerwb1

(5,116 posts)
13. Not wanting to defend Manchin whom I'm not a fan of
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:31 AM
Nov 2021

but bombarding him with texts is childish. What a joke if true.

F-ing childish and stupid from both ends.

bigtree

(94,442 posts)
7. snowflake
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:05 AM
Nov 2021

...likely bullshit.

We know why Manchin opposes these bills. It's not because of his feels.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,809 posts)
8. So the guy who said "no"
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:08 AM
Nov 2021

got pissed off because people trying to get something done were asking him what were things that he WOULD agree to?

What a ***** snowflake.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
11. Wow such lame excuse. I'll take this as a signal he's going to support both bills
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:13 AM
Nov 2021

And in the future he should be clear about his intentions.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
12. Put the BBB in front of him
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:16 AM
Nov 2021

Tell him to take it or leave it, and the Democratic Party.

I'm done with his dramatic posturing.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
17. Put it in front of all of them. Get off the TV and do your f'ing job.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:58 AM
Nov 2021

The delay, while standing on the words that "Nothing is better than something" indeed gave us the intended outcome.

And here we are today. We Still Have NOTHING.

Bravo to the grandstanders !!!! THANKS FOR NOTHING.



 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
21. Name them All. Equal contibutions to this "Nothing's better than something" bullshit.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:29 PM
Nov 2021

They don't get to hide their own contribution by shouting the names of the 2 designated go-to targets

They all got their media time. Their 15 min to raise their profile. Their spin sucks equally , all of them, for this waiting country.

Gtf to work.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
16. K & R Thank You. As well as the freaky vigilanti attack on Sinema in a restroom.
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:52 AM
Nov 2021

Been sayin it all along.
There are more to question as to motive than just the selected Media targets.
Cuz if everyone's looking at them, no one's paying attention to the elephant in the room.

Billionare Corporate Media messaging:

"We have ways of making you think"
quote by Joseph Goebbels

Goebbles: Master of Propaganda: We Have Ways Of Making You Think.
A chilling portrait of Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi master of propaganda who fathered the "big lie", disseminated the Fuhrer myth, and leavened his mass persuasion with mass entertainment.

Makes one wonder why, right around years 2012-2015, we watched a steady stream of US politicians & assorted characters making a pilgrimage to Russia.

Media messaging, bots, trolls launched from foreign nations pushing an agenda built on propaganda, & MSM.
The tell was when Voter Data was stolen, sold, traded on the foreign dark market like the hottest commodity it was, and the same coded list of talking points, intended to degrade an opponant into the ground, were repeated throughout Media as well as on the campaign trails of the pols who all had made that pre-2016 pilgrimage to Russia.

There is a center point to the madness & it sits quietly, obscured by the madness it created, in Vadimer Putin's Russia, the home of the largest criminal organization in the world.

Like a magic show, Media is the magician performing the sleight-of-hand, controlling the gaze of the audience as it draws their eyes up, down, back & forth in amazment, more rapidly so as to disquise the fact that the trick is as old & practiced as time itself.

Goebbles: Master of Propaganda: We Have Ways Of Making You Think.

Billionare Owned Global Corporate Media are the Masters of Propaganda. And Russia's International Criminal Organization sees that the props are all iin place.

Who was all on that list of those who suddenly made a pilgrimage to Russa back in 2012-2015? Oddly, they all returned with a direction to seat Donald Trump in in 2016.
And here we are today. ~

Rand Paul
Rick Perry & his entourage
Zack Exley
____
____
____


"MONEY & MEDIA"


Do Not Ever Forget Where This Took Root & Why, & How It Became Such a Global Threat.
Ask, Who Wants America & Why?
SNIP
Reich Propaganda Leader of the Nazi Party, 1929-1945
Hitler was so impressed with Goebbels’ mastery of modern propaganda techniques that he appointed him Reich leader of propaganda for the Nazi Party in 1929. He relied on Goebbels in the critical Reichstag and presidential elections in 1932.

Goebbels pioneered the use of radio and film for propaganda purposes. He produced films of Nazi rallies, speeches, and other events to show at meetings to further inspire and activate core supporters. Goebbels organized Hitler’s campaign for election to the German presidency in 1932. With the banner “Hitler over Germany,” Goebbels depicted Hitler as an energetic campaigner using the most modern modes of transportation to meet constituents all over Germany. Hitler was portrayed flying in a small plane to multiple venues held the same day across the country.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/joseph-goebbels-1

We Have Ways Of Making You Think.

~




fishwax

(29,346 posts)
18. that's a weird quote from an unnamed senator ... and it doesn't appear in Politico's reporting
Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:11 PM
Nov 2021

Manchin pushed back because he wasn't yet on board to begin with. That doesn't mean he won't get there eventually, but this notion that he backed off because of text messages is pretty flimsy, imo.

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