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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:03 AM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

A big part of our problem is white people

A big part of our problem is white people cannot wrap their heads around the fact that POC are Americans. They are so scared of POC (and specifically black people) that they will vote against their own best interests in order to stop from having to come to grips with that fact. Hell they cannot even accept our own history of what happened in this country. Until people come to grips with the fact that when POC people are struggling, hurting, or being mistreated, Americans are hurting we will never move on. Republicans love to push this button.

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Reply A big part of our problem is white people (Original post)
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 OP
LineReply Institutional racism is the continuing cause.
 marble falls Nov 2021 #1
LineLineReply Yes, exactly... and it's time to dismantle those racist institutions, pronto!!
 InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2021 #3
LineLineLineReply Except even mentioning those institutions
 Bettie Nov 2021 #5
LineLineLineLineReply Bingo!
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #8
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Reframe
 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #52
LineReply America is and always has been a fundamentally
 cilla4progress Nov 2021 #2
LineReply I think it's less about how Whites treated POC, vs that we're saying that treatment is wrong
 CrispyQ Nov 2021 #4
LineReply It's sleight of hand, misdirection. We're told it's the Whites vs. POC, LGBTQ, Disabled & the Poor.
 rickyhall Nov 2021 #6
LineLineReply bingo! the larger root cause of racial economic inequality is the lack of upward mobility
 Amishman Nov 2021 #14
LineLineReply Racism is a tool of the uber-rich.
 lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #30
LineReply I agree. But not all white people are hateful.
 LakeArenal Nov 2021 #7
LineReply I think I'm a white person....
 Mossfern Nov 2021 #9
LineLineReply Good for you. So am I.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #10
LineLineReply Me, too. And I march and vote and stand up.
 BComplex Nov 2021 #15
LineLineLineReply Well said.
 hamsterjill Nov 2021 #17
LineLineReply Thank you. Generalizing about white people is not helpful.
 lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #31
LineLineReply I disagree, and I'm white. It's not divisive to face facts.
 yardwork Nov 2021 #38
LineReply It sickens me
 Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #11
LineLineReply Maybe she's just a bad apple?
 BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #12
LineLineReply she is an ex Marine
 Celerity Nov 2021 #18
LineLineLineReply You would think
 Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #22
LineLineLineLineReply The Marine Corps "mystique" is largely built on toxic masculinity...
 Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #29
LineReply Whiteness as a social construct didn't used to exist
 ismnotwasm Nov 2021 #13
LineLineReply Exactly what I am talking about.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #20
LineLineReply I hear that.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #27
LineReply Statements like this are why the right screams, reverse racism.
 sarcasmo Nov 2021 #16
LineLineReply Possibly. Doesn't make it untrue.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #19
LineLineLineReply Broad brush statements are always false.
 sarcasmo Nov 2021 #21
LineLineLineLineReply Sure.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #28
LineReply How was the black turnout in VA?
 BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #23
LineLineReply Whatever it was
 Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #24
LineLineReply 80+% I think. n/t
 Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #25
LineReply Post removed
 Post removed Nov 2021 #26
LineReply Nice racist post.
 lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #32
LineLineReply Not racist at all.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #33
LineLineLineReply You generalized about white people.
 lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #34
LineLineLineLineReply +1
 MrsCoffee Nov 2021 #35
LineLineLineLineReply You can suggest until you are blue in the face
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #37
LineLineLineLineLineReply OK. So the divisive group attack is not accidental.
 lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #42
LineLineLineLineReply +1 lagomorph777
 Devil Child Nov 2021 #40
LineLineLineNew Reply You say you're white. So okay. But you can only speak for you.
 LakeArenal Nov 2021 #45
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Gosh yer pretty smart.
 CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #47
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Gosh by cracky... Ain't you sweet.
 LakeArenal Nov 2021 #49
LineLineNew Reply +1,000,000
 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #43
LineReply This white person agrees with you.
 yardwork Nov 2021 #36
LineReply K&R.
 WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #39
LineReply On some level I agree but I wonder if you feel we white people should all...
 NNadir Nov 2021 #41
LineNew Reply Are you the reincarnated????????
 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #44
LineLineNew Reply Here we go again.
 LakeArenal Nov 2021 #46
LineLineLineNew Reply Exactly!!! Wish there was a " preaching to the choir" alert:)
 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #48
LineLineLineLineNew Reply See #47.
 LakeArenal Nov 2021 #50
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Guess someone has to find and ditch all the aliases
 Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #51

Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:07 AM

Star Member marble falls (45,632 posts)

1. Institutional racism is the continuing cause.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

Star Member InAbLuEsTaTe (23,589 posts)

3. Yes, exactly... and it's time to dismantle those racist institutions, pronto!!

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:15 AM

Star Member Bettie (13,248 posts)

5. Except even mentioning those institutions

makes the white people angry. Suggesting that maybe white people aren't superior to everyone else makes them nuts.

Not all of us, but a larger number than is good for our society.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:35 AM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

8. Bingo!

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:49 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (38,324 posts)

52. Reframe

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:11 AM

Star Member cilla4progress (19,327 posts)

2. America is and always has been a fundamentally

Conservative country.

Some might say regressive. Others, shithole.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

Star Member CrispyQ (31,927 posts)

4. I think it's less about how Whites treated POC, vs that we're saying that treatment is wrong

& needs to change.

There is a segment of Whites who believe they are superior & that basically gives them the right to treat others however they want. I also think they believe that White bad behavior was limited to a few bad apples, hence their complete resistance to the idea of institutional racism.

They are bigots who don't want to acknowledge that much of their own success & prosperity in life was gotten by exploration of others, & they don't want that taught to their kids.

Seen on Facebook:

The people who threw rocks at six-year-old Ruby Bridges for going to school, don't want their grandchildren to know that they threw rocks at a little girl for going to school.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:19 AM

rickyhall (4,889 posts)

6. It's sleight of hand, misdirection. We're told it's the Whites vs. POC, LGBTQ, Disabled & the Poor.

when in reality it's The Rich vs. the Rest of Us. If the Whites ever realize this it'll be new ball game. But that's a very, very big IF.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

Amishman (4,615 posts)

14. bingo! the larger root cause of racial economic inequality is the lack of upward mobility

Between debt traps, unequal education opportunities, and wage stagnation; its harder than ever to pull yourself up. The rich have stacked the deck to keep the current economic strata in place, and preserve their place at the top.

Those who were at the bottom when the ladder was removed are trapped there. Due to past racial inequalities, those at the top tend to be white, and those at the bottom tend to be not.

Finishing removing the social aspect of racism still will not fix the economic inequality that exists. However resolving the latter will help the former fade away.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:00 AM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

30. Racism is a tool of the uber-rich.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:27 AM

Star Member LakeArenal (21,984 posts)

7. I agree. But not all white people are hateful.

Hateful people are fearful of POC taking over their white world.

They don’t realize that the white world is collapsing. It has been for sometime.

Almost everyone finds out in DNA testing that they are much more than white.

By 2050 I think I read, The US will be all mixed in the DNA.

As a Gringo living in a Latin American country, it’s fine to be a minority here. Be nice and get nice in return. Easy peasy.

US should try it. Be nice get nice.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:41 AM

Star Member Mossfern (1,522 posts)

9. I think I'm a white person....

This doesn't resonate with me.
Maybe some here talk about "white people" the way they disdain the way "white people" talk about "black people."

It's a very divisive stance.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:43 AM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

10. Good for you. So am I.

You are not white people. You are a white person.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:29 PM

Star Member BComplex (6,377 posts)

15. Me, too. And I march and vote and stand up.

It's not white people that are the problem. It's ignorance, stupidity, and ignorant racists that are the problem. The vast majority of them are white, but not all white people are racists. Just like not all black people vote for the democratic candidate.

A stereotype is a stereotype. I don't care who you are.



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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:46 PM

Star Member hamsterjill (14,009 posts)

17. Well said.

Absolutely correct. A stereotype is a stereotype.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:01 AM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

31. Thank you. Generalizing about white people is not helpful.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:41 PM

Star Member yardwork (54,284 posts)

38. I disagree, and I'm white. It's not divisive to face facts.

The fact is that a majority of white people - in election after election - vote for Republicans and against their own interests. WTF just happened in Virginia? I'll tell you. A bunch of white suburbanites - and I'm one, so believe me I know - allowed Fox News and their Facebook feeds to panic themselves that schools might actually teach actual facts about this country's ongoing history of institutional racism and genocide. So these white suburban moms and dads rushed to the polls and elected a stone cold racist, because... panic.

Of course we're not all like that. But too many of us are. Frankly, people of color save this country over and over by reliably voting Democratic. WTF white people.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:56 AM

Busterscruggs (448 posts)

11. It sickens me

 

That they used a black immigrant to claim that lieutenant governor spot. They're using her to further their racist agenda. Somebody really needs to reach out to her and explain the facts. Has anyone else seen that campaign sign with her holding an assault rifle? Just sickening.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:04 PM

BannonsLiver (13,650 posts)

12. Maybe she's just a bad apple?

They come in ALL colors.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:56 PM

Star Member Celerity (29,058 posts)

18. she is an ex Marine

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:58 PM

Busterscruggs (448 posts)

22. You would think

 

A marine would know better than to cast her lot in with those rethugs

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

Star Member Wounded Bear (50,338 posts)

29. The Marine Corps "mystique" is largely built on toxic masculinity...

More of them support trumpism because of that than you would think.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:09 PM

Star Member ismnotwasm (40,638 posts)

13. Whiteness as a social construct didn't used to exist

It was nurtured into life a few centuries ago. And it’s been a regressive fucked up way to live ever since.

Hopefully we are emerging, slowly. It will take a long time because people who benefit are comfy with it.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:25 PM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

20. Exactly what I am talking about.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:49 AM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

27. I hear that.

It would be beautiful to see that day. Unfortunately I think it is beyond my time on this planet.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:40 PM

sarcasmo (21,842 posts)

16. Statements like this are why the right screams, reverse racism.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:25 PM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

19. Possibly. Doesn't make it untrue.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:43 PM

sarcasmo (21,842 posts)

21. Broad brush statements are always false.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:49 AM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

28. Sure.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 02:05 PM

Star Member BlackSkimmer (45,869 posts)

23. How was the black turnout in VA?

Anyone checked that out?

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:53 PM

Busterscruggs (448 posts)

24. Whatever it was

 

It wasn't enough, just like everyone else. I suspect the Repubs were manipulating the polls or suppressing turnout somehow. I wouldn't put anything past them, there is no low far enough for them.

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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:00 PM

Decoy of Fenris (1,954 posts)

25. 80+% I think. n/t

 

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:14 AM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

32. Nice racist post.

Way to alienate allies.

If, indeed, you view white Democrats as allies. Or any Democrats?

You do realize that there are white people at DU, and they are supportive of the rights of POC?

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:27 PM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

33. Not racist at all.

I am white.

You can take my post as racist if you like but you are wrong. White people in this country have been committing and getting away with some of the most deplorable shit and usually because white people as a whole don’t care to do anything about it. Thats the truth. Sorry if that gets your feelers all worked up.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:32 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

34. You generalized about white people.

That is a divisive group attack.

If you you are not trying to sow division, I suggest you qualify the words to be more accurate.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:32 PM

Star Member MrsCoffee (5,298 posts)

35. +1

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:37 PM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

37. You can suggest until you are blue in the face

IDGAF.


It is time white people in this country got over their bullshit NIMBYism, their irrational fear of brown people and stopped being so damned gullible.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:21 PM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

42. OK. So the divisive group attack is not accidental.

Noted.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:50 PM

Star Member Devil Child (2,728 posts)

40. +1 lagomorph777

 

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:32 PM

Star Member LakeArenal (21,984 posts)

45. You say you're white. So okay. But you can only speak for you.

You can’t speak for everyone white, black or indifferent.

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:35 PM

Star Member CrackityJones75 (2,144 posts)

47. Gosh yer pretty smart.

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:17 PM

Star Member LakeArenal (21,984 posts)

49. Gosh by cracky... Ain't you sweet.

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:08 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (38,324 posts)

43. +1,000,000

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:35 PM

Star Member yardwork (54,284 posts)

36. This white person agrees with you.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:49 PM

Star Member WhiskeyGrinder (16,467 posts)

39. K&R.

Until people come to grips with the fact that when POC people are struggling, hurting, or being mistreated, Americans are hurting we will never move on.


I would add that the white supremacy we live in benefits all white people. All of them. And white people who don't acknowledge that and work to dismantle it are helping perpetrate it.

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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:52 PM

Star Member NNadir (29,280 posts)

41. On some level I agree but I wonder if you feel we white people should all...

...kill ourselves.

I might suggest that you read Rita Mae Brown's long ago "Plain Brown Wrapper" where she writes about her experience in advancing lesbian rights.

She remarked at one point that one thing she found difficult to learn, but learned all the same was that not all men were the enemy.

I was briefly a gay woman's experiment in heterosexuality, and as such, was once in a while a guest in the gay women's community. It did seem that many of my then lover's friends didn't get Ms. Brown's advice.

Racism is a common disease among old fat dullard white men like me, but some of us have developed immunity and are thus asymptomatic.

I don't know that a privileged group, of which I am a guilty member has the right to ask any other group to break the cycle of racism, but I hope all human beings can learn to see our humanity before our so called "race."

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:09 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (38,324 posts)

44. Are you the reincarnated????????

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:33 PM

Star Member LakeArenal (21,984 posts)

46. Here we go again.

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:59 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (38,324 posts)

48. Exactly!!! Wish there was a " preaching to the choir" alert:)

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:18 PM

Star Member LakeArenal (21,984 posts)

50. See #47.

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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:22 PM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (38,324 posts)

51. Guess someone has to find and ditch all the aliases

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