James Carville is exactly right.

[Boydog]

Our message needs to meet people where they are and be within the bounds of reason.

[leftstreet]

1. He is exactly wrong

He hammers on "wokeness" as if he has the slightest idea what he's talking about. He doesn't. He just gets trotted out whenever he can bash the left.

Two moderate senators blocked a moderate President's agenda, and a moderate Guv candidate lost.

That has NOTHING to do with progressives or the left-leaning pols

[dflprincess]

2. Thank you

I got tired of Carville and his ramblings years ago. I changed the channel when they trot him out to tell us how screwed up the Democrats are. It's his wing of the party that voters are fed up with.

[Boydog]

3. He is exactly right in saying that the proponents of

that message have presented the far right with their favorite red meat meal, that all Democrats are radical extremists. As long as that keeps happening we’ll keep losing. Book it.

[leftstreet]

7. Did McAuliffe run a pro-CRT campaign?

I missed that.

I did see that he insulted parents though

[Busterscruggs]

11. Could someone explain

How he insulted them? What he said seems to be taken way out of context.

[Progressive Jones]

21. Thank You. nt

[uponit7771]

26. +1, ... and the parents that were insulted by what he said weren't going to vote for him anyway !!

... McA beat ...HISTORIC... expectations, if we ran a new democrat I think that person would've won

[betsuni]

27. I was in high school in the late seventies and my biology teacher wouldn't teach evolution.

Told us we could read those chapters if we wanted but he couldn't risk parents trying to get him fired. I remember it because I was shocked. Parents have always been a problem. I agree what he said was taken way out of context.

[Act_of_Reparation]

41. Uh, no.

The issue isn't whether his position was right or wrong. The issue is whether he should have said what he said. The answer is no. He shouldn't have.

Putting the impetus for communications on the audience instead of the communicator is not a winning strategy no matter how you cut it.

[themaguffin]

36. As an experienced politician, his language wasn't good on that either way. Unforced Error.

[Busterscruggs]

40. What do you think his

Phrasing shouldve been? The repug media twisting it around didn't help. These are good programs to help students learn, nothing else

[themaguffin]

44. I don't know, but don't give them a soundbite like that. Oof.

[Busterscruggs]

56. He really didn't

Say anything totally over the top and bad. If I lived there, I would've been even more likely to vote for him with that take charge tone.

[themaguffin]

58. I'm not talking about us. We would all vote for him.

[uponit7771]

25. wtf ?! Not this "please white men who'll never vote for you" shit again !! 1. the GQP doesn't even

... need REALITY to feed their base red meat (see CRT) ***THEY'LL LITERALLY MAKE SHIT UP!!!*** 2. We should focus on getting OUR BASE OUT with reality based read meat, we don't 3. Don't let their false messaging take foot, flood that message zone with the truth... we don't.

Carville doesn't even understand what "woke" word means, that's how easy it is to influence these people

[malaise]

4. THIS

That is all

[iemanja]

5. It also has nothing to do

with the progressive/ centrist feuds that people like nothing better than to fuel. Get over it. It wastes energy and only helps the right. The victimization complex is incredibly annoying. I don't care who it comes from.

[JI7]

19. No, He is right. It's hard to admit how bigoted this country is . But these are things people

complain about and vote on .

[uponit7771]

28. If our focus is on not stoking bigoted people yes, he's correct. If our focus is on stoking our ...

... base with reality centered read meat he's dead assed wrong.

What Carville is ***FOOLISHLY*** still saying is '... don't give GQP a hammer to hit you with ..." which ... WTF !?

THEY'LL LITERALLY MAKE UP SHIT to hit us with (see CRT) and to stoke their base with lies while dems stoke their base with ... process, uh ... GQP racist ... uh ... Climate change ?!?!

GQP WILL LIE NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY OR DO !!

Dems need to be better at stoking the base with read meat and "GQP is racist" has never been enough, we already know that.

Carville's analysis is biased at best, we SHOULD NOT focused on trying NOT to stoke stupid people ... that's an impossible job ... focus on bringing out new people and stoking our own base and the middle

McA ... DID NOT do that

[uponit7771]

24. +1, he doesn't understand what the word even means !!

[lagomorph777]

33. Those Senators are not "moderates"; though I agree McCauliffe is.

They are on the right. At this time, polls show support for BBBB in the 70s; it is a very PROGRESSIVE agenda. Progressive policies will save us, if we can get SineManchin out of the way.

[area51]

38. +1

"Wokeness" has nothing to do with dem losses.

[myohmy2]

47. +1...

...absolutely...

...we've been doing the carville thing long enough with shit results...

...either start making a meaningful difference in people's lives and help the working class get ahead, or go home...

...that old 'keep your powder dry' bullshit ain't selling anymore...

...people want us to either put up or shut up...

...do we want defeat in 2022...?

...just keep following the conservative 'moderates'...

...

[Boydog]

62. I will repeat, the only candidate who could have beaten Donald Trump is Joe Biden.

[myohmy2]

71. maybe...

...and I'll say I'm very pleased Joe turned out to be as Progressive as he is...

...warms my heart...

[Skittles]

72. utter nonsense

[cilla4progress]

6. So, ixnay on the

Gressivepro-ays??

[betsuni]

29. Is that a Pootie Tang reference?

[cilla4progress]

57. Pig latin

[Celerity]

8. hard pass

his ideas on what constitutes the 'bounds of reason' are bullshit

he has been a washed-up has-been for ages

[Boydog]

12. So "defunding the police" does not play directly

into the sweet spot of the right and enable them to couple that along with some made up bullshit like critical race theory to literally steal an election. We are dealing with the dumbest electorate in history. We cannot afford to give them another advantage. Who would have thought we would control the senate the house and the presidency and not be able to pass key legislation.

[leftstreet]

13. McAuliffe ran on defunding the police?

I guess I missed that, too

No wonder he lost. I've never heard of a candidate running on something like that.

Defunding the police, teaching CRT etc - those are generally grassroots or academic activist positions, not political platforms.

[Celerity]

15. non sequitur

Carville is trapped in long past their expiry date 1990's mindsets.

The Dem party is not running on defund the police or CRT.

Carville is playing right into the RW's hands with his strawmen and 'woke' obsession.

[summer_in_TX]

20. Carville has gotten ever-more obnoxious with time.

He was way over the top.

But not completely wrong. The absolutist and abolitionist language of some on the Left is joy to the ears of the likes of Tucker Carlson. Plus it's arguably stupid, pie-in-the-sky dreams.

The long, slow work of making a case for systemic change is completely overlooked in such calls. Instead the demands to defund the police and abolish ICE are heard by a majority who have no idea what has been happening or why someone might make that demand as just crazy talk.

Make the case. Do the documentaries. File the civil rights lawsuits. Get hearings held in Congress. Call for systemic reform. Do it for the years it takes to bring about systemic change. But don't start with the demand for the whole hog. You won't get it. Instead you will give RW media a battering ram to use to make their case that the Left is crazy and dangerous. You'll hurt the electoral chances of those who might hold those hearings, putting systemic change farther away.

I really don't like Carville. I wish I didn't think he has a point.

[BlueIdaho]

9. The two Democrats most responsible for putting Biden in the White House are

Jim Clyburn and James Carville.

[ymetca]

10. Interesting take

Clyburn I can see. But what did Carville do, exactly?

[BlueIdaho]

14. Carville spoke repeatedly

Both in the M$M and on back channels to convince candidates who had no chance of winning to leave the race early and thin the field. Shortly after many candidates did just that. In short, the statements by both Congressman Clyburn and James Carville ended up giving President Biden a clear path to win the more important primaries and synch the nomination.

[ymetca]

16. Yeah, it's the "back channels"

part that, er uh, kinda stinks. Mayor Pete comes to mind...

Let's not give voters the opportunity to do any real selectin' y'all!

[Boydog]

61. You can fail to admit it if you want but the ONLY candidate who could have beaten Trump was Biden.

And by beating Trump, Biden has saved our democracy, for now. Hopefully, we can prevent Trump from ever having the prerogative to do that ever again.

[Boydog]

63. Truth

[Lunabell]

17. He's a jerk.

I don't trust him one iota.

[budkin]

18. Nope. He's old and totally out of touch.

The same as Bill Marr. The world has passed them by and they can’t accept it.

[Boydog]

64. And your miracle candidate is who?

[budkin]

70. I wasn't criticizing a candidate

I was talking about Carville's "old man yells at cloud" shtick.

[WHITT]

22. The World Has Passed Carville By

McAuliffe ran a Carville-like campaign. He lost.

Back before the 2018 midterms, Carville was predicting that 'all the progressive crap the Dems are campaigning on is gonna cost them seats'. Even on election night, he was saying 'I told you so'. Until all the votes were counted. It wasn't just a Blue Wave, it was a Blue Tsunami.

Carville was dead wrong.

The progressive agenda is at 60%, 70%, 80%, and even 90%, with the American people. I mean, 90%. You can't get that many people to agree on what color the SKY is.

[lagomorph777]

34. +1000 Carville and SineManchin can fuck off. Voters hate their views.

[Skittles]

23. define "our"

[Hortensis]

30. Of course he is.

He's calling for speaking the truth, decency, and practical good sense that most Democratic voters want to hear.

And lack of extremism.

That doesn't mean not calling for the strong measures voters want -- just not extreme or downright silly, which are a lot more often than not synonymous.

Calling for "defunding the police" is a great example that has been used to disastrously defeat Democratic candidates a few elections now. That is because that specific term has become identified with the LW extremism.

[demmiblue]

31. Nice try.

[Baitball Blogger]

32. I think that someday we're going to look back at this last election and

realize it was a nail in the Centrist coffin from the nineties. Yes, we need better messaging, but we need to continue moving forward making every election a confirmation that the Democratic party is committed to representing dark skinned Americans, and White Americans needs to recognize that that's where our future lies.

[CrackityJones75]

35. I am so fucking tired of hearing about "the message"

Our message is fine. It always has been fine. We could promise and have a lock tight plan to deliver everyone in the country a home and education and half of this stupid fucking country would be vehemently against it because they are that fucking stupid.

That is the message that Carville and the other democratic democrat bashing personalities need to understand.

[Autumn]

37. He just parrots his wife's thoughts.

[betsuni]

39. What does his wife say?

[Autumn]

42. She spews the usual Republican bullshit. nt

[betsuni]

43. How is it "parroting his wife's thoughts"?

What exactly are her thoughts, what did she say?

[Autumn]

46. Try Google betsuni. Her being a Republican consultant shold give you an idea. nt

[betsuni]

48. Oh, you said Carville was parroting his wife's thoughts, so I thought you could tell me what

her thoughts on the subject are. I haven't heard anything from her for many years. Where did you see what she had to say on the topic?

[Autumn]

49. .

[betsuni]

50. So you don't know how Carville's parroting his wife's thoughts.

He's a Democrat, by the way. This is a forum for supporters of Democrats.

[Autumn]

51. She isn't a Democrat so whats your point? Try Google or ignore. Either should work just fine.

[betsuni]

52. James Carville is not his wife. Don't understand what you're trying to say.

Is the OP about his wife? No, it is not. What does she have to do with anything?

[Autumn]

53. Then try reading the OP and the thread. You might get there. Eventually. He is a pundit, not a

politician.

[betsuni]

54. Who said he was a politician? He's a Democrat.

[Autumn]

55. Yeah, he's a Democrat. So fucking what. He's a political pundit.

One who is currently blaming democrats for their 'stupid wokeness' and has decided they should go to a 'woke' detox center or something,"

But please carry on with your anger at me for not agreeing with himand his anti woke bullshit. I'm enjoying it.

[Johnny2X2X]

45. Fear and emotion

Unfortunately, helping make people's lives better no longer matters, politics is 100% based on emotion in the US now.

[uponit7771]

59. +1, we can stoke dem votes using reality and choose not to. J6 is scary enough and GQP used 911

... to beat dems on the head with it ... we should do the same to them !!

[BlueTsunami2018]

65. Except almost everyone was afraid of 9/11.

Half the country supports or is indifferent to the insurrection. That was white people doing it not scary muslims.

Hard to beat people over the head with something they don’t care about.

[uponit7771]

66. Most Americans WOULD BE afraid of J6 terrorist if we'd demonize them like GQP did Muslims

[BlueTsunami2018]

67. We can't. They're white.

It doesn’t work that way. There has to be an “other” to hate or fear.

[uponit7771]

68. Dangit,

[uponit7771]

69. Wait ... didn't America fear the Weather Undergound? the people who were bombing buildings during

... the 70s?

tia

[Boydog]

74. So what's your point

[uponit7771]

75. That America should fear MAGA because they are the violent threat, MAGA uses dems as the threat

... all the damn time and don't even have to be factual with it (see CRT) we should do the same !!

[BannonsLiver]

60. He's about half right

The other 50 percent is just bad messaging and the complete lack of will or fortitude to fight like the GOP does. We had people around here debating whether it’s okay to make fun of Trump’s appearance, or believe that $450k payments to people at the border is a simply wonderful idea politically. That sort of mentality is why we lose.

[Boydog]

73. Exactly. They are advocating such out of touch bullshit.

The electorate totally refuses to accept that garbage and it is a loser mentality.

[Mr. Sparkle]

76. Our message is drowned out by a fake news media empire.

In scale, it nearly mirrors main stream media in terms of influence, in half of the country.