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Jilly_in_VA

(9,941 posts)
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:23 PM Nov 2021

Leader of U.S. Catholic bishops decries social justice movements as 'pseudo-religion'

Archbishop José H. Gomez, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, railed against “new social justice movements” during a speech Thursday, decrying them as “pseudo-religions” that ultimately serve as “dangerous substitutes for true religion.”

Gomez, who heads the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles, delivered the remarks in a video message sent to a meeting of the Congress of Catholics and Public Life in Madrid. The prelate argued that the United States, like Europe, has been subject to “aggressive secularization,” insisting that “there has been a deliberate effort in Europe and America to erase the Christian roots of society and to suppress any remaining Christian influences.”

He also lambasted “cancel culture,” contending that “often what is being canceled and corrected are perspectives rooted in Christian beliefs.”

But Gomez saved his most strident criticism for “new social movements and ideologies,” the influence of which, he said, accelerated after the murder of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer in May 2020.

Although Gomez noted that Floyd’s killing was “a stark reminder that racial and economic inequality are still deeply embedded in our society,” he suggested that the movements that inspired related demonstrations last year have been “unleashed in our society” and serve as replacements for “traditional Christian beliefs.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/11/05/catholic-bishop-gomez-social-justice/
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This is how divorced the US bishops are from much of their flock My daughter's Catholic HS has a religion class called SOCIAL JUSTICE in the early 90s and they discussed exactly the subjects he's screaming about!

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Leader of U.S. Catholic bishops decries social justice movements as 'pseudo-religion' (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Nov 2021 OP
Nice, the archbishop whining about social justice when that is AFAIK a hallmark of Catholicism... Thomas Hurt Nov 2021 #1
Yes indeed - the Catholic Teachings on Social Justice rurallib Nov 2021 #5
Curious how many of these guys were appointed by Pope Francis? ColinC Nov 2021 #2
These Opus dei/RW Catholic Bishops are why I worry that the Pope may not have sufficient protection. hlthe2b Nov 2021 #3
So tell us, Archbishop gratuitous Nov 2021 #4
Or are religious leaders becoming more political? BootinUp Nov 2021 #6
Oh, fuck him too. Solly Mack Nov 2021 #7
Where is this energy for racism, unrestrained corporate greed, or for billionaires? ck4829 Nov 2021 #8
Do he say anything about BIDEN receiving communion in Rome, called a "good Catholic"? Hmm. UTUSN Nov 2021 #9
... Faux pas Nov 2021 #10
The problem is that the religious zealots have been emboldened OnDoutside Nov 2021 #11
I decry religion as musette_sf Nov 2021 #12
They are a ruling class of Catholics that encourage their own in the up and coming ranks. Republican OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2021 #13
Because "true" religions involve the supernatural, superstition, and blind faith muriel_volestrangler Nov 2021 #14
U.S. bishops are as much responsible for Donald Trump as evangelicals dalton99a Nov 2021 #15
It does not sound like Archbishop Jos H. Gomez multigraincracker Nov 2021 #16
Seven themes of Catholic social teaching shrike3 Nov 2021 #17
So he doesn't want Catholics to follow Jesus. marie999 Nov 2021 #18
My own social justice activism is solidly rooted in Catholicism and Christian Pacifism. hunter Nov 2021 #19
Kid-fucker-aplologist says what? Iggo Nov 2021 #20
Seriously thee people are both depraved malaise Nov 2021 #21
Dorothy Day would have kicked this guy's ass. Ron Green Nov 2021 #22
Absolutely. hunter Nov 2021 #24
We have a Social Justice group at my church. Boomerproud Nov 2021 #23

rurallib

(62,386 posts)
5. Yes indeed - the Catholic Teachings on Social Justice
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:34 PM
Nov 2021

I pulled up this thread simply because what this bishop says is 180 degrees opposite from what I learned in 12 years of Catholic schools.

But If I recall, it is what John Paul II preached during his visit to South America back in the 90s?

While I am a long, long fallen away catholic, I always looked at their teachings on social justice as one of the few things in organized religion that was good.

hlthe2b

(102,132 posts)
3. These Opus dei/RW Catholic Bishops are why I worry that the Pope may not have sufficient protection.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:30 PM
Nov 2021

They are so opposed to what he stands for that I take seriously the suggestion that there may have been plots against his life. The highly vocal Anti-Francis Cardinal Burke was supposedly linked with Steve Bannon during his time in Italy--while the latter was trying to develop a "populist" force to combat "neoliberalism." I'd be hard-pressed to consider any such rumors out of the realm of possibility.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. So tell us, Archbishop
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:34 PM
Nov 2021

What would the proper, Christian, traditional response be to the murder of George Floyd by torture in broad daylight on a public street? Should we all write encyclicals in Latin?

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
7. Oh, fuck him too.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:39 PM
Nov 2021

I'm in a "fuck you" mood today.

That would be the general "you"...which I've directed at specific right-wingers today.

UTUSN

(70,649 posts)
9. Do he say anything about BIDEN receiving communion in Rome, called a "good Catholic"? Hmm.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:47 PM
Nov 2021

Does he say anything about his assistant to the Conference having to resign over some kind of (sex?) charges? Hmm.






OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
11. The problem is that the religious zealots have been emboldened
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:48 PM
Nov 2021

From the latter stages of JPII but particularly since Ratzinger. Many moderates have left the church or have been sidelined.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,295 posts)
13. They are a ruling class of Catholics that encourage their own in the up and coming ranks. Republican
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 03:56 PM
Nov 2021

Usually, church business ($) first, the flock as an after thought. Nor surprised really, the "social justice" Catholics - priests and congregation - have pretty much abandoned their presence in this corporation.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
14. Because "true" religions involve the supernatural, superstition, and blind faith
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 04:08 PM
Nov 2021

in things unseen and unprovable. Which is what Gomez loves, especially that "blind faith" bit, because he's near the top of the pile, and that means he now gets to tell everyone else what to do.

If he was capable of self-examination, he'd wonder why his own "traditional Christian beliefs" didn't seem to worry too much about a murder, because he's long ago decided "social justice" wouldn't get him to the top of his hierarchy.

shrike3

(3,489 posts)
17. Seven themes of Catholic social teaching
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 06:20 PM
Nov 2021

1. the Life and Dignity of the Human Person,

2) the Call to Family, Community, and Participation,

3) Rights and Responsibilities,

4) the Option for the Poor and Vulnerable,

5) The Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers,

6) Solidarity,

7) Care for God’s Creation.

Catholic Social Teaching's foundations are widely considered to have been laid by Pope Leo XIII's 1891 encyclical letter Rerum novarum, which advocated economic distributism. It can a;sp be traced to the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine of Hippo.

hunter

(38,303 posts)
19. My own social justice activism is solidly rooted in Catholicism and Christian Pacifism.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 08:02 PM
Nov 2021

But I would never claim that there is only one true path on that long arc towards justice and I celebrate that some of those paths are godless.

I don't recall as an infant soul, not yet made of meat, choosing which family or community or nation or religion I'd be born into.

The authoritarian Catholics sound more and more like the authoritarian Orthodox and Evangelical Churches. We are the one true way! But it won't be long now before they find some commonality with conservative Islam, Hinduism, etc.

All the authoritarian religions and ideologies seem to be cut from the same cloth. They probably read the same newsletters posted directly from hell, and they are constantly testing the boundaries of their influence like street gangs.

The ethical universe recognizes no boundaries.


Boomerproud

(7,943 posts)
23. We have a Social Justice group at my church.
Fri Nov 5, 2021, 10:53 PM
Nov 2021

What the (cough) bishop is talking about in that stupid speech is the antithesis of Christs' teaching.

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