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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis was the key vote tonight:
Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 5376) to provide for reconciliation pursuant to title II of S. Con Res. 14; and for other purposes
The resolution passed by a vote of 215 Yeas (all Democrats) to 212 Nays (all republicans)
There were seven "no votes" (not "nays", all were in attendance):
6 Democrats:
Bush
Gomez
Jayapal
Ocasio-Cortez
Pressley
Tlaib
1 republican:
Zeldin
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2021/roll368.xml
JohnSJ
(92,475 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)because the nays would have outnumbered the "yes" votes. So, essentially, the six democrats listed ensured the question would pass but didn't specifically vote for it, because they didn't vote at all.
JohnSJ
(92,475 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)In the local commissions that I've been on if one abstains, i.e., no votes, one has to express the reason for not voting.
Will we get the reason from any of the seven?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,116 posts)Rose Twitter would turn on them if they compromised.
Salviati
(6,009 posts)It's the two senators who refuse to pass anything unless they are 100% satisfied, and the other side does all the compromising.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)A fine choreography indeed.
Like slinking past the graveyard and realizing you're actually in it.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,116 posts)I dont agree, but I wont blame them.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)Not like I'm not rooting for what they stand for. Just feel like they (and us) are being played.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who want her to continue opposing the rest of the caucus but not voting to block it. The "squad" do it all the time.
Terry McAuliffe and VA Democratic voters got screwed by them blocking the vote yesterday. He might be governor-elect today if these people had put the good of the nation and progressivism itself ahead of feeding the new factional following they've developed.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and as this was so important, I can't help from feeling 'if you not with us, you're against us'. After all this time and back and forth I find it distressing. Last week (?) Nancy P. asked them not to embarrass the president and yet he was made to look weak. Not a good move.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)claim to believe in? Thing is, some are undoubtedly genuinely sincere about their positions on the issues, climate change, housing for the homeless, etc, but don't realize something else keeps proving to be more important and keeps leading them astray.
Of course, factional antagonism rules populist types, and that unfortunately tends to dominate any mixture they're in. But they're pretty simple to understand. It's all about smashing the Democratic establishment.
Ideology's a thin carapace, easily discarded and regrown.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But the way they go about their business makes me wonder, as you mentioned, what their priorities are. I also feel like they have such mistrust in their fellow dems that it is a huge problem. It's either that or a my way or the highway attitude. They've made no friends over the last several months when so many of us felt action was really required. We will never really know if a passed bill would have helped in Va. but it wouldn't have hurt. They have voted too many times with the Cons lately, as a matter of conscience, for dems to feel good about what they're doing.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that few would get seduced into loyalty to political figures and factions instead. The political version of refusing to mistakenly worship statues and false gods.
As for those who believe the BBB and BIL are garbage and hope opponents manage to trash them,... What to say? We're on nonintersecting lines going very different directions.
sheshe2
(83,969 posts)Silent3
(15,405 posts)I dont sense much fanfare, and no other posts like this is a big deal.
Is this just some obscure procedural step? Something bigger? BIF? BBB?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,116 posts)Response to George II (Original post)
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