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gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:22 PM Nov 2021

Merrick Garland needs to be fired.

Coup plotter Steve Bannon is out on his soap box leading the ongoing insurrection. If it takes this long to make a decision about low hanging fruit Steve Bannon why bother subpoenaing people who were in the Trump administration? If Garland ever decides to send Bannon before a grand jury, that is just step 1. If the grand jury convicts Bannon he still must go before a jury trial which he will assuredly appeal all the way to the Nazi Supreme Court. How long will that take?

The time is long passed for people to keep telling me to be patient. Trump is winning, his tactic is to delay until the GQP takes back the House and maybe the Senate. The only way to stop Trump from running again in 2024 is to prosecute him, prosecute him, and then prosecute him some more.

High school and college wrestling has started, I may just tune out politics and enjoy myself. I get bashed by Democrats here anyway so why endure the aggravation. I baby sat my 8 year old grandson all of last week, I sent him to his first wrestling practice, helped him study and play, had a blast, didn't tune in to one bit of politics. I come back to DU and it's the same ole same ole, nothing about Bannon, nothing about prosecuting Trump and his seditionists.

If it takes this long for Bannon then the select committee is going to have to bypass Garland and go for inherent contempt and lock up people who refuse subpoenas or who refuse to testify.

If Trump runs and wins in 2024 he won't just get 4 more years.

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Merrick Garland needs to be fired. (Original Post) gab13by13 Nov 2021 OP
It can take up to a year or so for Bannon to be arrested for refusing to testify, so be prepared to Celerity Nov 2021 #1
I understand that, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #3
People want action, not due process Jose Garcia Nov 2021 #4
well, due process is deffo going to be the orders of the day under any Dem administration Celerity Nov 2021 #5
Yeah! Screw the Constitution! AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #6
Which Is EXACTLY What repubs Are Getting Away With THIS VERY MINUTE! SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #11
Yeah! I'm an authoritarian who doesn't care about the rule of law! AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #12
Rule Of Law? LOL! SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #17
Got it - you DON'T care about the constitution AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #19
This Constitution You Refer To, Is HANGING ON BY A THREAD SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #23
And disregarding it is SURE to save it AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #25
Didn't Lincoln do that? CivicGrief Nov 2021 #26
Give me one example where anyone on this thread gab13by13 Nov 2021 #29
The ones who say he doesn't deserve due process AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #33
Here's another hint, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #40
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2021 #42
There's not one damned thing that's constitutionally required about this foot-dragging inaction Silent3 Nov 2021 #45
Well said, thank you. gab13by13 Nov 2021 #49
Some democrats need to start screaming about this foot dragging. Stop with the 'kid glove' treatmen triron Nov 2021 #51
This is undue, unnecessarily drawn-out process Silent3 Nov 2021 #41
The last time that the House referred a contempt of Congress charge to DOJ ffr Nov 2021 #2
Obviously, losing our democracy gab13by13 Nov 2021 #7
Violating the Constitution to "save" it seems wrong to me. And Nazis, btw, need no courts if . . . . Stinky The Clown Nov 2021 #9
Who wants to violate the Constitution, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #30
And this is a big reason the courts will NOT unanimously side with the right PortTack Nov 2021 #50
Yet people here say it would take a year. Well evidentlly Reagan's DOJ did it differently. triron Nov 2021 #18
...and they didn't violate the Constitution, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #31
There was a choice that the committee made that led to this Stinky The Clown Nov 2021 #8
** nt Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #13
Time to change strategy, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #32
Imagine you have this incredible weather app that predicts... Girard442 Nov 2021 #10
What exactly are the results you want? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #15
There's NO WAY He Testifies SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #21
Bannon being held accountable. gab13by13 Nov 2021 #34
If repubs BigMin28 Nov 2021 #14
It's really cute watching Democrats play authoritarian AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2021 #16
What's Cute Is Bringing A Banana To A Gunfight SoCalDavidS Nov 2021 #24
Don't go away because you are right. gab13by13 Nov 2021 #35
Long past due for inherent contempt Dave says Nov 2021 #20
The spectacle will help us, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #36
Kamila Harris would have been the best Attorney General, with Doug Jones a close second Polybius Nov 2021 #22
There were a lot of retirements under TFG treestar Nov 2021 #27
Bannon rso Nov 2021 #28
Yeah Garland prosecuted Timothy McVeigh, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #37
I just read Chris Cillizza's garbage piece about Garland/Bannon Boomerproud Nov 2021 #38
I don't have a clue if Garland is a Democrat or Republican, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #39
Trump fired numerous people in his administration, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #43
Well he won't be...just more complaining if you ask me. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #44
I never gave an opinion whether he would be fired or not, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #47
He is pretty disappointing so far. nt doc03 Nov 2021 #46
If I don't get excommunicated, gab13by13 Nov 2021 #48
K & R Duppers Nov 2021 #52

Celerity

(43,635 posts)
1. It can take up to a year or so for Bannon to be arrested for refusing to testify, so be prepared to
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:24 PM
Nov 2021

wait a while.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
11. Which Is EXACTLY What repubs Are Getting Away With THIS VERY MINUTE!
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:36 PM
Nov 2021

What do you think Bannon is doing?

Pretty soon the Constitution won't be worth the paper it's written on. If we're not there already. Isn't that their goal after all?

Let's just sit around and watch them while they continue to do so, and then we can all complain about how permanently fucked we all are.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
17. Rule Of Law? LOL!
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:43 PM
Nov 2021

Like the rule of law that the Supreme Court used to stop the vote counting in 2000?

Like the rule of law that Texas used to enact a de facto ban on abortions?

Like the rule of law that put 11 Whites & 1 Black on the Arbery jury, in a region with 26% African Americans?

Like the rule of law that almost allowed martial law to take hold, so that TFG could illegally overturn the election?

Like the rule of law that's giving out ticky tack sentences for storming the Capitol?

Perhaps the bottom line is that the rule of law benefits the evil quite well. And perhaps the rule of law is already dead in America, for all intents and purposes.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
23. This Constitution You Refer To, Is HANGING ON BY A THREAD
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:50 PM
Nov 2021

If you don't see that, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind.

I tell you who is looking forward to the Constitution being rendered completely meaningless. The repub party. Then we can all wax nostalgic about this Constitution that once existed.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
29. Give me one example where anyone on this thread
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:06 PM
Nov 2021

suggested violating the Constitution. The biggest threat to our democracy right now, IMO, is Democrats who don't understand how serious the situation is.

Let me ask you a question. Bannon wasn't in the Trump administration he flouted the law, blatantly. What the fuck is taking so long to make a decision on that? You are aware that the GQP strategy isn't to win cases, it is to delay them until the get their gerrymandered House back in their control and get their GQP plants to count the votes for Senators. What don't you get about that. If we lose the House and or Senate we have lost one branch of government.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,121 posts)
33. The ones who say he doesn't deserve due process
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

And here's A hint, he'll invoke the fifth when he's arrested. If he hasn't already.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
40. Here's another hint,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:32 PM
Nov 2021

I never expected that Bannon would testify, what I did expect that he would be held accountable for BREAKING THE LAW.

There are legal ways to punish Bannon if he plans to invoke the 5th.

Silent3

(15,417 posts)
45. There's not one damned thing that's constitutionally required about this foot-dragging inaction
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:42 PM
Nov 2021

Bannon's violation of the subpoena is clear and unambiguous. What we are seeing is gutless timidity hiding behind a deliberately stalled process.

The only process Bannon is due is the trial that would occur AFTER charges are pressed.

The US Constitution says not one goddamned thing about a requirement to spend months or years double, triple, and quadruple checking that you've given a citizen the absolute maximum benefit of the doubt that a charge brought against them is airtight before the citizen is brought to trial.

triron

(22,028 posts)
51. Some democrats need to start screaming about this foot dragging. Stop with the 'kid glove' treatmen
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:42 PM
Nov 2021

Silent3

(15,417 posts)
41. This is undue, unnecessarily drawn-out process
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:34 PM
Nov 2021

Bannon's violation of the subpoena is clear and unambiguous. None of us would receive so much foot-dragging "process" before being charged. This is gutless timidity hiding behind a deliberately stalled process.

ffr

(22,675 posts)
2. The last time that the House referred a contempt of Congress charge to DOJ
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:26 PM
Nov 2021

... then-President Reagan’s prosecutors immediately brought the matter to a grand jury; it returned an indictment just nine days after the House vote.

9 days! WTF!!!

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
7. Obviously, losing our democracy
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:31 PM
Nov 2021

isn't as important. What is also scary, I wouldn't put it passed our Nazi SC to side with Bannon which would neuter Congressional investigations and eliminate our democratic checks and balances. Trump and his oligarch Nazi pals only want a dictator and Nazi packed courts. No one had better laugh at that suggestion because that is exactly where we are headed.

Stinky The Clown

(67,832 posts)
9. Violating the Constitution to "save" it seems wrong to me. And Nazis, btw, need no courts if . . . .
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:34 PM
Nov 2021

. . . . they install a Nazi dictator. The courts would literally be for show, not justice.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
30. Who wants to violate the Constitution,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:08 PM
Nov 2021

where is your evidence. I never ever suggested that Democrats violate the Constitution, stop spreading that.

PortTack

(32,813 posts)
50. And this is a big reason the courts will NOT unanimously side with the right
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 04:32 PM
Nov 2021

They do not want to lose their power and be beholden to a tin pot dictator.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
31. ...and they didn't violate the Constitution,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:09 PM
Nov 2021

Thank You! What don't these people get? Garland is dragging his feet which is the GQP strategy - Delay.

Stinky The Clown

(67,832 posts)
8. There was a choice that the committee made that led to this
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:32 PM
Nov 2021

The House could have arrested and held him. They chose not to.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
32. Time to change strategy,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:10 PM
Nov 2021

who would have thought that Garland would take so long to decide on a cut and dried case.

Girard442

(6,087 posts)
10. Imagine you have this incredible weather app that predicts...
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:34 PM
Nov 2021

...tomorrow's weather flawlessly, 100% of the time, but -- it takes 48 hours to arrive at an answer.

Useless.

If Garland doesn't get some kind of results soon, the ship of state will sink like a stone.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
21. There's NO WAY He Testifies
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:46 PM
Nov 2021

Honestly, I think he would go to jail if need be, but I just don't see him testifying.

But for now, he's laughing every minute of every day, and living it up with his media gig, where he gets to make things worse by spewing his tripe. I don't blame him, I'd be laughing too, at the worthless piece of paper in the form of a "subpoena."

Fuck, when I missed jury duty, I immediately got a notice of how a warrant would be out for my arrest if I failed to comply. FOR JURY SERVICE!

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
34. Bannon being held accountable.
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:12 PM
Nov 2021

Why should future people who are subpoenaed show up? They look and see that nothing is being done to Bannon.

BigMin28

(1,186 posts)
14. If repubs
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:38 PM
Nov 2021

Win back the House in 2022, the 1/6 committee ends. I am all for due process, but the clock is ticking.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
24. What's Cute Is Bringing A Banana To A Gunfight
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:52 PM
Nov 2021

Whatever.....I'm done here. Like the OP, I need to take a break from all the happy talk on DU, about how everything will work out in the end, and to just be patient. Buh bye.

Dave says

(4,633 posts)
20. Long past due for inherent contempt
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:44 PM
Nov 2021

But if the committee decides to do that (and they should have weeks ago), the arrest is likely to be a media spectacle. Warn me so I can do up some popcorn.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
36. The spectacle will help us,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:16 PM
Nov 2021

it will enable us to control the narrative where it belongs, on an ongoing coup. Our worst enemies are Democrats who are complacent, who don't realize the dire situation our country is in. Pull out all of the stops. LEGAL STOPS.

Polybius

(15,514 posts)
22. Kamila Harris would have been the best Attorney General, with Doug Jones a close second
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 01:49 PM
Nov 2021

Garland is too nice and passive.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
27. There were a lot of retirements under TFG
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:01 PM
Nov 2021

It seems there were times when day to day work could not get done. And there were tons of retirement parties.

So it may be tough to get the DOJ up and running as normal. Many of the agencies were said to be a total mess when the new people came in back in January.

rso

(2,273 posts)
28. Bannon
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:03 PM
Nov 2021

It’s way past time for us to use the perfectly legal “inherent contempt” authority that the House possesses.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
37. Yeah Garland prosecuted Timothy McVeigh,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:19 PM
Nov 2021

but his prosecution wasn't controversial. No one took McVeigh's side, he killed children in a day care center.

Boomerproud

(7,974 posts)
38. I just read Chris Cillizza's garbage piece about Garland/Bannon
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:26 PM
Nov 2021

on CNN site. Liberal media bias indeed. 🤬

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
39. I don't have a clue if Garland is a Democrat or Republican,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:29 PM
Nov 2021

but I do know that Mike Lee, (R) Senator from Utah picked him for SC and president Obama agreed.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
43. Trump fired numerous people in his administration,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:37 PM
Nov 2021

because they wouldn't break the law.

All I am asking is that Garland be fired for being incompetent, not up to the job. If my boss tells me to sweep that sidewalk and 2 hours later he comes back and I'm just standing there. I tell my boss I need to study the best way to approach the job. I deserve to be fired.

Not Sweeping the sidewalk is similar to blatantly not showing up for a subpoena.

gab13by13

(21,461 posts)
48. If I don't get excommunicated,
Sat Nov 6, 2021, 02:47 PM
Nov 2021

maybe the next time I do a thread like this I will start off with an animal video, they seem to make the Trending now and greatest threads.

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